Cretification courses in DB2.

Kartik Subramanian

Cretification courses in DB2.
Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2? Are there any exams for a
Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??

Thanks
Kartik



Linda Claussen

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Kartik Subramanian)
You can find the information on the following web page:

http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html

Cheers,
Linda F. Claussen
Claussen & Associates
DB2 Consulting and Training
[login to unmask email]
http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/
Phone: (319) 343-3216
Office: (319) 847-1985

----------
From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM

Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2? Are there any exams
for a
Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??

Thanks
Kartik








Danny Davis

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Linda Claussen)
I went to the web page and I didn't see anything related to OS/390. Are they still not offering any certification for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams? I like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience with UDB.

Danny Davis
Systems Analyst
Univerity Health Systems
[login to unmask email]

>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
You can find the information on the following web page:

http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html

Cheers,
Linda F. Claussen
Claussen & Associates
DB2 Consulting and Training
[login to unmask email]
http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/
Phone: (319) 343-3216
Office: (319) 847-1985

----------
From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM

Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2? Are there any exams
for a
Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??

Thanks
Kartik











Sally Mir

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Danny Davis)
There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields, for what it's worth.  Check out  www.brainbench.com

Sally Mir

Danny Davis wrote: I went to the web page and I didn't see anything related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience with UDB.

Danny Davis
Systems Analyst
Univerity Health Systems
[login to unmask email]

>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
You can find the information on the following web page:

http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html

Cheers,
Linda F. Claussen
Claussen & Associates
DB2 Consulting and Training
[login to unmask email]
http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/
Phone: (319) 343-3216
Office: (319) 847-1985

----------
From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM

Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there any exams
for a
Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??

Thanks
Kartik


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Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Sally Mir)
..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..

Les


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Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM


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Thomas E. Faglon

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe)
Hi,
I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to what
should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
Tom




Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM

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..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..

Les


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RICK (SWBT) DAVIS

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Thomas E. Faglon)
Danny,
Re: OS/390 DB2 Certification.
I need the person with a SHK degree that has excelled.

HTH,
Rick Davis
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-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Davis [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 7:09 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


I went to the web page and I didn't see anything related to OS/390. Are
they still not offering any certification for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it
nested into the current exams? I like the challenge of trying to pass the
exams, but I have no experience with UDB.

Danny Davis
Systems Analyst
Univerity Health Systems
[login to unmask email]

>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
You can find the information on the following web page:

http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html

Cheers,
Linda F. Claussen
Claussen & Associates
DB2 Consulting and Training
[login to unmask email]
http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/
Phone: (319) 343-3216
Office: (319) 847-1985

----------
From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM

Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2? Are there any exams
for a
Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??

Thanks
Kartik













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Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to RICK (SWBT) DAVIS)
I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)

Les


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM


Hi,
I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to what
should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
Tom




Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM

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cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.




..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..

Les


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Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM


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[login to unmask email]

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe)
My loss too!

There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I asked this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but some time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't plan to
have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390 and the other platforms.

Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved into the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?






Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on 2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)

Les
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM

Hi,
I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to what
should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
Tom

Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM

Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>

To: [login to unmask email]
cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.

..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
Les

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Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM

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There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
<p>Sally Mir
<p>Danny Davis wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
with UDB.
<p>Danny Davis
<br>Systems Analyst
<br>Univerity Health Systems
<br>[login to unmask email]
<p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
<br>You can find the information on the following web page:
<p><a
href="http://www-4.ibm.">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html">http://www-4.ibm.
com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
<p>Cheers,
<br>Linda F. Claussen
<br>Claussen & Associates
<br>DB2 Consulting and Training
<br>[login to unmask email]
<br><a
href="http://www.netins.net/showcase/">http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/">http://www.netins.net/showcase/
lclaussen/</a>
<br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
<br>Office: (319) 847-1985
<p>----------
<br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
<br>To: [login to unmask email]
<br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
<br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
<p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
any exams
<br>for a
<br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
<p>Thanks
<br>Kartik



BHEEMSEN (PB) AITHA

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Rohn.Solecki@MTS.MB.CA)
My loss too.

Bheem Aitha

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


My loss too!

There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I asked
this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but some
time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't
plan to
have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390 and
the other platforms.

Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying
to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved into
the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?






Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)

Les
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_________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM

Hi,
I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to
what
should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
Tom

Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM

Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>

To: [login to unmask email]
cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.

..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
Les

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_________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM

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There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
<p>Sally Mir
<p>Danny Davis wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
with UDB.
<p>Danny Davis
<br>Systems Analyst
<br>Univerity Health Systems
<br>[login to unmask email]
<p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
<br>You can find the information on the following web page:
<p><a
href="http://www-4.">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html">http://www-4.
ibm.
com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
<p>Cheers,
<br>Linda F. Claussen
<br>Claussen & Associates
<br>DB2 Consulting and Training
<br>[login to unmask email]
<br><a
href="http://www.netins.net/showc">http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/">http://www.netins.net/showc
ase/
lclaussen/</a>
<br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
<br>Office: (319) 847-1985
<p>----------
<br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
<br>To: [login to unmask email]
<br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
<br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
<p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
any exams
<br>for a
<br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
<p>Thanks
<br>Kartik








Piontkowski Michael ML

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to BHEEMSEN (PB) AITHA)
IBM -

Please reconsider and offer a DB2 UDB for OS/390 certification program.
Does anyone know why IBM decided against a certification program for
DB2 UDB for OS/390?

> ----------
> From: AITHA, BHEEMSEN (SBCSI)[SMTP:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> My loss too.
>
> Bheem Aitha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [login to unmask email] [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
>
> My loss too!
>
> There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I
> asked
> this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but
> some
> time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't
> plan to
> have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
> significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390
> and
> the other platforms.
>
> Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying
> to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved
> into
> the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
> I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
> an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
> it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)
>
> Les
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM
>
> Hi,
> I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to
> what
> should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
> Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
> Tom
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM
>
> Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>
>
> To: [login to unmask email]
> cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> ..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
> Les
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM
>
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>
> There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
> for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
> href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
> href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
> <p>Sally Mir
> <p>Danny Davis wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
> related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
> for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
> like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
> with UDB.
> <p>Danny Davis
> <br>Systems Analyst
> <br>Univerity Health Systems
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
> <br>You can find the information on the following web page:
> <p><a
> href="http://www-">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html">http://www-
> 4.
> ibm.
> com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
> <p>Cheers,
> <br>Linda F. Claussen
> <br>Claussen & Associates
> <br>DB2 Consulting and Training
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <br><a
> href="http://www.netins.net/sho">http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/">http://www.netins.net/sho
> wc
> ase/
> lclaussen/</a>
> <br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
> <br>Office: (319) 847-1985
> <p>----------
> <br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
> <br>To: [login to unmask email]
> <br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
> <br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
> <p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
> any exams
> <br>for a
> <br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
> <p>Thanks
> <br>Kartik
>
>
>
> the
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Jim (C) Chie

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Piontkowski Michael ML)
is being cretified anything like having a lobotomy?

-----Original Message-----
From: Piontkowski Michael ML
[mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 10:16 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


IBM -

Please reconsider and offer a DB2 UDB for OS/390 certification program.
Does anyone know why IBM decided against a certification program for
DB2 UDB for OS/390?

> ----------
> From: AITHA, BHEEMSEN (SBCSI)[SMTP:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> My loss too.
>
> Bheem Aitha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [login to unmask email] [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
>
> My loss too!
>
> There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I
> asked
> this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but
> some
> time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't
> plan to
> have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
> significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390
> and
> the other platforms.
>
> Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying
> to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved
> into
> the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
> I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
> an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
> it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)
>
> Les
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM
>
> Hi,
> I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to
> what
> should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
> Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
> Tom
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM
>
> Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>
>
> To: [login to unmask email]
> cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> ..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
> Les
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM
>
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>
> There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
> for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
> href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
> href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
> <p>Sally Mir
> <p>Danny Davis wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
> related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
> for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
> like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
> with UDB.
> <p>Danny Davis
> <br>Systems Analyst
> <br>Univerity Health Systems
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
> <br>You can find the information on the following web page:
> <p><a
> href="http://www-">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html">http://www-
> 4.
> ibm.
> com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
> <p>Cheers,
> <br>Linda F. Claussen
> <br>Claussen & Associates
> <br>DB2 Consulting and Training
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <br><a
> href="http://www.netins.net/sho">http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/">http://www.netins.net/sho
> wc
> ase/
> lclaussen/</a>
> <br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
> <br>Office: (319) 847-1985
> <p>----------
> <br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
> <br>To: [login to unmask email]
> <br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
> <br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
> <p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
> any exams
> <br>for a
> <br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
> <p>Thanks
> <br>Kartik
>
>
>
> the
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>








Larry Fisher

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Jim (C) Chie)
I think IBM feels that the DB2 DBA's and Sys Admin's on OS/390 are capable,
diligent, and careful while the PC group needs something to separate the
wheat from the chaff and in this case it's a certificate. I am assuming that
" Cretification " is just a misspelling of certification; if not then I
retract this reply.

-----Original Message-----
From: Piontkowski Michael ML
[mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 1:16 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


IBM -

Please reconsider and offer a DB2 UDB for OS/390 certification program.
Does anyone know why IBM decided against a certification program for
DB2 UDB for OS/390?

> ----------
> From: AITHA, BHEEMSEN (SBCSI)[SMTP:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> My loss too.
>
> Bheem Aitha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [login to unmask email] [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
>
> My loss too!
>
> There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I
> asked
> this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but
> some
> time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't
> plan to
> have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
> significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390
> and
> the other platforms.
>
> Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying
> to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved
> into
> the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
> I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
> an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
> it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)
>
> Les
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM
>
> Hi,
> I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to
> what
> should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
> Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
> Tom
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM
>
> Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>
>
> To: [login to unmask email]
> cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> ..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
> Les
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM
>
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>
> There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
> for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
> href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
> href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
> <p>Sally Mir
> <p>Danny Davis wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
> related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
> for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
> like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
> with UDB.
> <p>Danny Davis
> <br>Systems Analyst
> <br>Univerity Health Systems
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
> <br>You can find the information on the following web page:
> <p><a
> href="http://www-">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html">http://www-
> 4.
> ibm.
> com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
> <p>Cheers,
> <br>Linda F. Claussen
> <br>Claussen & Associates
> <br>DB2 Consulting and Training
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <br><a
> href="http://www.netins.net/sho">http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/">http://www.netins.net/sho
> wc
> ase/
> lclaussen/</a>
> <br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
> <br>Office: (319) 847-1985
> <p>----------
> <br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
> <br>To: [login to unmask email]
> <br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
> <br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
> <p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
> any exams
> <br>for a
> <br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
> <p>Thanks
> <br>Kartik
>
>
>
> the
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>








Eric Robida

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Larry Fisher)
I thought it was the first step to becoming a member of management.




"Chie Jim (C)" <[login to unmask email]> on 01/07/2000 01:25:51 PM

To: [login to unmask email]
cc: (bcc: Eric Robida/BCBSME)
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.




is being cretified anything like having a lobotomy?

-----Original Message-----
From: Piontkowski Michael ML
[mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 10:16 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


IBM -

Please reconsider and offer a DB2 UDB for OS/390 certification program.
Does anyone know why IBM decided against a certification program for
DB2 UDB for OS/390?

> ----------
> From: AITHA, BHEEMSEN (SBCSI)[SMTP:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> My loss too.
>
> Bheem Aitha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [login to unmask email] [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
>
> My loss too!
>
> There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I
> asked
> this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but
> some
> time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they
don't
> plan to
> have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
> significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390
> and
> the other platforms.
>
> Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they
trying
> to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved
> into
> the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
> I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
> an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
> it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)
>
> Les
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM
>
> Hi,
> I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as
to
> what
> should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
> Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
> Tom
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM
>
> Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>
>
> To: [login to unmask email]
> cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> ..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
> Les
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM
>
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>
> There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
> for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
> href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
> href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
> <p>Sally Mir
> <p>Danny Davis wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
> related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
> for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
> like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
> with UDB.
> <p>Danny Davis
> <br>Systems Analyst
> <br>Univerity Health Systems
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
> <br>You can find the information on the following web page:
> <p><a
> href="http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html
">http://www-
> 4.
> ibm.
> com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
> <p>Cheers,
> <br>Linda F. Claussen
> <br>Claussen & Associates
> <br>DB2 Consulting and Training
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <br><a
> href="http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/
">http://www.netins.net/sho
> wc
> ase/
> lclaussen/</a>
> <br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
> <br>Office: (319) 847-1985
> <p>----------
> <br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
> <br>To: [login to unmask email]
> <br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
> <br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
> <p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
> any exams
> <br>for a
> <br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
> <p>Thanks
> <br>Kartik
>
>
>
> the
>
>
>
>
>
> the DB2-L webpage at http://www.ryci.com/db2-l. The owners of the list
can
>
>



the










Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe)
...and mine ..

I asked the questions several times direct to them last year .. and I
received the reply below a week ago .. I told them that the cert for
os390 db2 should be a high priority and out there now .. this is their
reply to me ...

>Leslie, at this time we have no plans to add any OS/390 certification
>programs in 1H00. I agree with you that a DB2 certiifcation should
>be a high priority. Any changes to the S/390 certification program
>will be announced on the Professional Certification web site -
>http://www.ibm.com/certify.

regards

Leslie


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: [login to unmask email] at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 11:36 AM


My loss too!

There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I asked
this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but some
time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't plan
to
have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390 and the
other platforms.

Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying to
tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved into the
OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?






Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)

Les
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM

Hi,
I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to what
should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
Tom

Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM

Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>

To: [login to unmask email]
cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.

..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
Les

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">

There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
<p>Sally Mir
<p>Danny Davis wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
with UDB.
<p>Danny Davis
<br>Systems Analyst
<br>Univerity Health Systems
<br>[login to unmask email]
<p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
<br>You can find the information on the following web page:
<p><a
href="http://www-4.ibm.">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html">http://www-4.ibm.
com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
<p>Cheers,
<br>Linda F. Claussen
<br>Claussen & Associates
<br>DB2 Consulting and Training
<br>[login to unmask email]
<br><a
href="http://www.netins.net/showcase/">http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/">http://www.netins.net/showcase/
lclaussen/</a>
<br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
<br>Office: (319) 847-1985
<p>----------
<br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
<br>To: [login to unmask email]
<br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
<br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
<p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
any exams
<br>for a
<br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
<p>Thanks
<br>Kartik








Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Eric Robida)
Hi

not that they will not do it .. but that they have no plans ...

like all things this can change - see my previous post.

regards

Leslie


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: Piontkowski Michael ML <[login to unmask email]> at
Internet
Date: 1/7/00 1:16 PM


IBM -

Please reconsider and offer a DB2 UDB for OS/390 certification program.
Does anyone know why IBM decided against a certification program for
DB2 UDB for OS/390?

> ----------
> From: AITHA, BHEEMSEN (SBCSI)[SMTP:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> My loss too.
>
> Bheem Aitha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [login to unmask email] [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
>
> My loss too!
>
> There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I
> asked
> this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but
> some
> time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't
> plan to
> have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
> significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390
> and
> the other platforms.
>
> Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying
> to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved
> into
> the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
> I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
> an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
> it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)
>
> Les
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM
>
> Hi,
> I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to
> what
> should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
> Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
> Tom
>
> Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
> 01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM
>
> Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>
>
> To: [login to unmask email]
> cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
> ..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
> Les
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
> Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM
>
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>
> There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
> for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
> href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
> href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
> <p>Sally Mir
> <p>Danny Davis wrote:
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
> related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
> for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
> like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
> with UDB.
> <p>Danny Davis
> <br>Systems Analyst
> <br>Univerity Health Systems
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
> <br>You can find the information on the following web page:
> <p><a
> href="http://www-">http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html">http://www-
> 4.
> ibm.
> com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
> <p>Cheers,
> <br>Linda F. Claussen
> <br>Claussen & Associates
> <br>DB2 Consulting and Training
> <br>[login to unmask email]
> <br><a
> href="http://www.netins.net/sho">http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/">http://www.netins.net/sho
> wc
> ase/
> lclaussen/</a>
> <br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
> <br>Office: (319) 847-1985
> <p>----------
> <br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
> <br>To: [login to unmask email]
> <br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
> <br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
> <p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
> any exams
> <br>for a
> <br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
> <p>Thanks
> <br>Kartik
>
>
>
> the
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>








[login to unmask email]

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe)
You were right to mention marketing. I never believed there would be
certification on OS/390 simply because the market is not requiring it. In
order to compete in the client/server world IBM has to offer certification
just like Microsoft, Oracle, SAP, Powerbuilder, etc.., or be the only major
player who doesn't. In the mainframe world, no such presure exists.

Randall





"AITHA, BHEEMSEN (SBCSI)" <[login to unmask email]> on 01/07/2000 12:42:45
PM

Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>

To: [login to unmask email]
cc: (bcc: Randall Barbour/Non Employee/Humana)
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.





My loss too.

Bheem Aitha

-----Original Message-----
From: [login to unmask email] [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


My loss too!

There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I
asked
this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but
some
time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't
plan to
have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390 and
the other platforms.

Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying
to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved into
the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?






Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans for
an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year about
it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)

Les
______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM

Hi,
I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century) as to
what
should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
Tom

Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]> on
01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM

Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>

To: [login to unmask email]
cc: (bcc: Thomas E. Faglon/Telcordia)
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.

..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either ..
Les

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">

There is a web-based company that offers certification in many fields,
for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
<p>Sally Mir
<p>Danny Davis wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see anything
related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any certification
for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams?  I
like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no experience
with UDB.
<p>Danny Davis
<br>Systems Analyst
<br>Univerity Health Systems
<br>[login to unmask email]
<p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM >>>
<br>You can find the information on the following web page:
<p><a
href="http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html
">http://www-4.
ibm.
com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
<p>Cheers,
<br>Linda F. Claussen
<br>Claussen & Associates
<br>DB2 Consulting and Training
<br>[login to unmask email]
<br><a
href="http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/
">http://www.netins.net/showc
ase/
lclaussen/</a>
<br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
<br>Office: (319) 847-1985
<p>----------
<br>From: Kartik Subramanian <[login to unmask email]>
<br>To: [login to unmask email]
<br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
<br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
<p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are there
any exams
<br>for a
<br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these info??
<p>Thanks
<br>Kartik



the










Rameswara Pavan

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to rbarbour@HUMANA.COM)
Though certification is a marketing issue to IBM, I was thinking it is
a best preparation to learn things which you have never faced in your
past experience and to test your self for improvement.
Pavan


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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 2:05 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.

You were right to mention marketing. I never believed there would be
certification on OS/390 simply because the market is not requiring it.
In
order to compete in the client/server world IBM has to offer
certification
just like Microsoft, Oracle, SAP, Powerbuilder, etc.., or be the only
major
player who doesn't. In the mainframe world, no such presure exists.

Randall





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My loss too.

Bheem Aitha

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 9:37 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


My loss too!

There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When
I
asked
this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet
but
some
time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they
don't
plan to
have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on
OS/390 and
the other platforms.

Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they
trying
to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved
into
the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?






Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]>
on
2000/01/07 11:21:28 AM
I received a mail from them last week saying they have no plans
for
an os390 db2 cert exam .. I was pestering them all last year
about
it.... their loss .. not ours - as I know I can do my job :-)

Les
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Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: "Thomas E. Faglon" <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:53 AM

Hi,
I did participate in survey from IBM last year(century)
as to
what
should be in the certification for DB2/OS390.
Have not heard anything on it yet. or when it will be available?
Tom

Leslie Pendlebury-Bowe <[login to unmask email]>
on
01/07/2000 09:40:44 AM

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..no Db2 os390 stuff ..and there are no plans for it yet either
..
Les

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Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
Author: Sally Mir <[login to unmask email]> at Internet
Date: 1/7/00 9:29 AM

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">

There is a web-based company that offers certification in many
fields,
for what it's worth.  Check out  <a
href="www.brainbench.comhttp://www.brainbench.com">www.brainbench.com</a><a
href="">http://www.brainbench.com"></a>
<p>Sally Mir
<p>Danny Davis wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I went to the web page and I didn't see
anything
related to OS/390.  Are they still not offering any
certification
for DB2 Admin of OS/390 or is it nested into the current exams? 
I
like the challenge of trying to pass the exams, but I have no
experience
with UDB.
<p>Danny Davis
<br>Systems Analyst
<br>Univerity Health Systems
<br>[login to unmask email]
<p>>>> "Linda F. Claussen" <[login to unmask email]> 01/06/00 07:36PM
>>>
<br>You can find the information on the following web page:
<p><a
href="http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html
">http://www-4.
ibm.
com/software/data/db2/udb/db2cert.html</a>
<p>Cheers,
<br>Linda F. Claussen
<br>Claussen & Associates
<br>DB2 Consulting and Training
<br>[login to unmask email]
<br><a
href="http://www.netins.net/showcase/lclaussen/
">http://www.netins.net/showc
ase/
lclaussen/</a>
<br>Phone: (319) 343-3216
<br>Office: (319) 847-1985
<p>----------
<br>From: Kartik Subramanian
<[login to unmask email]>
<br>To: [login to unmask email]
<br>Subject: Cretification courses in DB2.
<br>Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:22 PM
<p>Can somebody tell me reagrding certfication in DB2?  Are
there
any exams
<br>for a
<br>Certified DB2 DBA or a System Admin? Where can I find these
info??
<p>Thanks
<br>Kartik



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the
DB2-L webpage at http://www.ryci.com/db2-l. The owners of the list can
be




visit
the DB2-L webpage at http://www.ryci.com/db2-l. The owners of the list
can




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the list can



Marc Baime

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Rameswara Pavan)
Certification is considered important in the client-server world. Almost
all the companies that provide software and hardware in that world have
certification programs. It stratev with Novell certifications, then
Microsoft engineer certifications, and now certifications for all the
Database management systems and other types of system software. If you're a
manager doing hiring and you are not knowledgeable in the particular
technical area you're hiring in and you have no one who is able to give a
good technical interview in that area then a good certification program
(like Oracle's or IBM's program) goes a long way towards providing you with
someone who is knowledgeable in that area. That said, it would be good to
have certification in the OS/390 area as well. I suspect though that the
reasons IBM has not put together a certification program for OS/390 DB2 are
two-fold:

1. Due to the tremendous proliferation of client-server databases on minis
and PCs there is a greater need in this area because a lot more hiring is
going on by a lot of people (read: non-technical managerial folks) who are
not well-versed in Database Management systems

2. The OS/390 market is much better settled and those of us who have been
working in this area have been doing so for years. It's a much more settled
job market.

Regardless of what the reasons, I agree it'd be nice to have certification
in the mainframe area as well.

Regards...Marc Baime



John Wynton

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Marc Baime)
First, I have a vested interest as we do DB2 and UDB training.

I'm ambivalent about certification in general. There are pro's and con's.
Certainly taking training then passing the exams gives you a fair idea (at
least theoretically) of the attributes of the software in question be it
database or network related (i.e. NT).

I don't think there is a substitute for real world experience (read
practical). This is not to say that plenty of people with experience have
taken the certification route, including our instructors.

As someone who has been involved in the computer services side of the
business for 25+ years, I much prefer 'real' experience, not just
certification. I think these 'certification processes are a good way to
generate revenue, either training, exam or publication related.

By implication, passing the certification exam is linked to taking training
(usually from the vendor, or a 'partner' who pays the vendor a fee). I would
rather see "real-world" certification questions, not just those related to
the training courses. To be fair to IBM, they have made the effort to get
input from the marketplace on certification/examination content.

Given the shortcuts most HR departments (and professional recruiters) use
these days - such as scanning resumes as a filtering mechanism instead of
actually talking to people, then I'm sure certification is a plus to them -
a plus I could personally do without.

I'm sure some will disagree -:)

John Wynton
Themis, Inc.
Specialists in DB2, MQ and CICS Training
1-800-756-3000; 908-233-8900 (Int'l); 908-233-7401 (Fax)
http://www.themisinc.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Baime [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:50 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


Certification is considered important in the client-server world. Almost
all the companies that provide software and hardware in that world have
certification programs. It stratev with Novell certifications, then
Microsoft engineer certifications, and now certifications for all the
Database management systems and other types of system software. If you're a
manager doing hiring and you are not knowledgeable in the particular
technical area you're hiring in and you have no one who is able to give a
good technical interview in that area then a good certification program
(like Oracle's or IBM's program) goes a long way towards providing you with
someone who is knowledgeable in that area. That said, it would be good to
have certification in the OS/390 area as well. I suspect though that the
reasons IBM has not put together a certification program for OS/390 DB2 are
two-fold:

1. Due to the tremendous proliferation of client-server databases on minis
and PCs there is a greater need in this area because a lot more hiring is
going on by a lot of people (read: non-technical managerial folks) who are
not well-versed in Database Management systems

2. The OS/390 market is much better settled and those of us who have been
working in this area have been doing so for years. It's a much more settled
job market.

Regardless of what the reasons, I agree it'd be nice to have certification
in the mainframe area as well.

Regards...Marc Baime








Hylton Tom P

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to John Wynton)
Not wanting to argue, but what exactly does a paper certificate give you
that you can't get now? You seem to imply that
since there is no certification program then there are no classes and you
are being excluded from learning about anything
OS/390 related.

A simple click to this link:
http://www-3.ibm.com/services/learning/roadmaps/db2osidx.html

gives different career path emphasis in DB2 and recommends courses related
to those pursuits. Want to learn about application design, then take the
classes on that map. Want to bone up on DBA principles, then go that route.
Concerned about Version 6 features and functions? Then take
http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=education&parms=g.7.1.0.us
.4731.0&xh=logon&xu=guest&search=CF370. Or take them all. Or take a class
from one of the other vendors around. Or go read the manuals, the Redbooks,
& Redpieces.

So, other than an empty title and a piece of paper, what do you think you'll
gain by a certification program, and what classes do you think they'd invent
that they don't have now?

(Ok, maybe that last question was a *little* argumentative ;)


-----Original Message-----
From: [login to unmask email] [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:37 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


My loss too!

There is still lots of my job for me to learn and know better. When I asked
this question about this time last year the answer was "... not yet but some
time (soon) in the future ...". I am disappointed to hear that they don't
plan to
have a OS/390 course. As I understand it, even in V6 there are still
significant feature and functionality differences between UDB on OS/390 and
the other platforms.

Could it be that IBM is forgetting its mainframe roots, or are they trying
to tell us something? Or maybe the OS/2 marketing team has been moved into
the OS/390 DB2 marketing group <g>?

[login to unmask email]

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Hylton Tom P)
I agree with most of what you say John, and the main reason I'm looking for certification IS the training. Unless you are in the consulting business, certification itself doesn't help. On the other hand, my job (and manager) just won't
let me take an hour or two a day to work thru a CBT or other form of self paced, self help training. The main reason I'm on this list is because I consider it as a form of training, looking over other peoples shoulders as they work thru
real world problems. Maybe 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 message is relevant to my needs, but that is still enough for me.

And if I'm going to do some training, formal course or do it yourself, I would prefer to have it based on my platform rather than fumbling around trying to figure out features that are not present on my OS.






John Wynton <[login to unmask email]> on 2000/01/07 03:18:48 PM

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First, I have a vested interest as we do DB2 and UDB training.

I'm ambivalent about certification in general. There are pro's and con's.
Certainly taking training then passing the exams gives you a fair idea (at
least theoretically) of the attributes of the software in question be it
database or network related (i.e. NT).

I don't think there is a substitute for real world experience (read
practical). This is not to say that plenty of people with experience have
taken the certification route, including our instructors.

As someone who has been involved in the computer services side of the
business for 25+ years, I much prefer 'real' experience, not just
certification. I think these 'certification processes are a good way to
generate revenue, either training, exam or publication related.

By implication, passing the certification exam is linked to taking training
(usually from the vendor, or a 'partner' who pays the vendor a fee). I would
rather see "real-world" certification questions, not just those related to
the training courses. To be fair to IBM, they have made the effort to get
input from the marketplace on certification/examination content.

Given the shortcuts most HR departments (and professional recruiters) use
these days - such as scanning resumes as a filtering mechanism instead of
actually talking to people, then I'm sure certification is a plus to them -
a plus I could personally do without.

I'm sure some will disagree -:)

John Wynton
Themis, Inc.
Specialists in DB2, MQ and CICS Training
1-800-756-3000; 908-233-8900 (Int'l); 908-233-7401 (Fax)
http://www.themisinc.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Baime [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:50 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


Certification is considered important in the client-server world. Almost
all the companies that provide software and hardware in that world have
certification programs. It stratev with Novell certifications, then
Microsoft engineer certifications, and now certifications for all the
Database management systems and other types of system software. If you're a
manager doing hiring and you are not knowledgeable in the particular
technical area you're hiring in and you have no one who is able to give a
good technical interview in that area then a good certification program
(like Oracle's or IBM's program) goes a long way towards providing you with
someone who is knowledgeable in that area. That said, it would be good to
have certification in the OS/390 area as well. I suspect though that the
reasons IBM has not put together a certification program for OS/390 DB2 are
two-fold:

1. Due to the tremendous proliferation of client-server databases on minis
and PCs there is a greater need in this area because a lot more hiring is
going on by a lot of people (read: non-technical managerial folks) who are
not well-versed in Database Management systems

2. The OS/390 market is much better settled and those of us who have been
working in this area have been doing so for years. It's a much more settled
job market.

Regardless of what the reasons, I agree it'd be nice to have certification
in the mainframe area as well.

Regards...Marc Baime











Mayank Sharma

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Rohn.Solecki@MTS.MB.CA)
No

No Certification Test is for DB2 V5, but available for DB2 V6

Mayank



Roland Chua

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Mayank Sharma)
I agree with John that working experience is more important than just a
piece of paper. My personal view is that the certification is only good for
people who do not have the relevent working experience.






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First, I have a vested interest as we do DB2 and UDB training.

I'm ambivalent about certification in general. There are pro's and con's.
Certainly taking training then passing the exams gives you a fair idea (at
least theoretically) of the attributes of the software in question be it
database or network related (i.e. NT).

I don't think there is a substitute for real world experience (read
practical). This is not to say that plenty of people with experience have
taken the certification route, including our instructors.

As someone who has been involved in the computer services side of the
business for 25+ years, I much prefer 'real' experience, not just
certification. I think these 'certification processes are a good way to
generate revenue, either training, exam or publication related.

By implication, passing the certification exam is linked to taking training
(usually from the vendor, or a 'partner' who pays the vendor a fee). I
would
rather see "real-world" certification questions, not just those related to
the training courses. To be fair to IBM, they have made the effort to get
input from the marketplace on certification/examination content.

Given the shortcuts most HR departments (and professional recruiters) use
these days - such as scanning resumes as a filtering mechanism instead of
actually talking to people, then I'm sure certification is a plus to them -
a plus I could personally do without.

I'm sure some will disagree -:)

John Wynton
Themis, Inc.
Specialists in DB2, MQ and CICS Training
1-800-756-3000; 908-233-8900 (Int'l); 908-233-7401 (Fax)
http://www.themisinc.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Baime [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:50 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.


Certification is considered important in the client-server world. Almost
all the companies that provide software and hardware in that world have
certification programs. It stratev with Novell certifications, then
Microsoft engineer certifications, and now certifications for all the
Database management systems and other types of system software. If you're
a
manager doing hiring and you are not knowledgeable in the particular
technical area you're hiring in and you have no one who is able to give a
good technical interview in that area then a good certification program
(like Oracle's or IBM's program) goes a long way towards providing you with
someone who is knowledgeable in that area. That said, it would be good to
have certification in the OS/390 area as well. I suspect though that the
reasons IBM has not put together a certification program for OS/390 DB2 are
two-fold:

1. Due to the tremendous proliferation of client-server databases on minis
and PCs there is a greater need in this area because a lot more hiring is
going on by a lot of people (read: non-technical managerial folks) who are
not well-versed in Database Management systems

2. The OS/390 market is much better settled and those of us who have been
working in this area have been doing so for years. It's a much more
settled
job market.

Regardless of what the reasons, I agree it'd be nice to have certification
in the mainframe area as well.

Regards...Marc Baime



the










Ron Warshawsky

Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
(in response to Roland Chua)
Certification is a good way to separate DBA with a years of real
experience from "Robot DBA" with a years of doing very little every year.

Regards,
Ron Warshawsky,
Sr. DBA,
Allied Group Insurance,
IBM Certified Solutions Expert (DB2 DBA)
ORACLE Certified DBA


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland Chua" <[login to unmask email]>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.db2-l
> To: <[login to unmask email]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
>
>
> > I agree with John that working experience is more important than just a
> > piece of paper. My personal view is that the certification is only good
> for
> > people who do not have the relevent working experience.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Wynton <[login to unmask email]> on 08/01/2000 05:18:48 AM
> >
> > Please respond to DB2 Data Base Discussion List <[login to unmask email]>
> >
> > To: [login to unmask email]
> > cc: (bcc: ROLAND CHUA CHONG KEE/DATACEN/IT/SGX)
> > Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > First, I have a vested interest as we do DB2 and UDB training.
> >
> > I'm ambivalent about certification in general. There are pro's and
con's.
> > Certainly taking training then passing the exams gives you a fair idea
(at
> > least theoretically) of the attributes of the software in question be it
> > database or network related (i.e. NT).
> >
> > I don't think there is a substitute for real world experience (read
> > practical). This is not to say that plenty of people with experience
have
> > taken the certification route, including our instructors.
> >
> > As someone who has been involved in the computer services side of the
> > business for 25+ years, I much prefer 'real' experience, not just
> > certification. I think these 'certification processes are a good way to
> > generate revenue, either training, exam or publication related.
> >
> > By implication, passing the certification exam is linked to taking
> training
> > (usually from the vendor, or a 'partner' who pays the vendor a fee). I
> > would
> > rather see "real-world" certification questions, not just those related
to
> > the training courses. To be fair to IBM, they have made the effort to
get
> > input from the marketplace on certification/examination content.
> >
> > Given the shortcuts most HR departments (and professional recruiters)
use
> > these days - such as scanning resumes as a filtering mechanism instead
of
> > actually talking to people, then I'm sure certification is a plus to
> them -
> > a plus I could personally do without.
> >
> > I'm sure some will disagree -:)
> >
> > John Wynton
> > Themis, Inc.
> > Specialists in DB2, MQ and CICS Training
> > 1-800-756-3000; 908-233-8900 (Int'l); 908-233-7401 (Fax)
> > http://www.themisinc.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Baime [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:50 PM
> > To: [login to unmask email]
> > Subject: Re: Cretification courses in DB2.
> >
> >
> > Certification is considered important in the client-server world.
Almost
> > all the companies that provide software and hardware in that world have
> > certification programs. It stratev with Novell certifications, then
> > Microsoft engineer certifications, and now certifications for all the
> > Database management systems and other types of system software. If
you're
> > a
> > manager doing hiring and you are not knowledgeable in the particular
> > technical area you're hiring in and you have no one who is able to give
a
> > good technical interview in that area then a good certification program
> > (like Oracle's or IBM's program) goes a long way towards providing you
> with
> > someone who is knowledgeable in that area. That said, it would be good
to
> > have certification in the OS/390 area as well. I suspect though that
the
> > reasons IBM has not put together a certification program for OS/390 DB2
> are
> > two-fold:
> >
> > 1. Due to the tremendous proliferation of client-server databases on
> minis
> > and PCs there is a greater need in this area because a lot more hiring
is
> > going on by a lot of people (read: non-technical managerial folks) who
are
> > not well-versed in Database Management systems
> >
> > 2. The OS/390 market is much better settled and those of us who have
been
> > working in this area have been doing so for years. It's a much more
> > settled
> > job market.
> >
> > Regardless of what the reasons, I agree it'd be nice to have
certification
> > in the mainframe area as well.
> >
> > Regards...Marc Baime
> >
> >
> >
> > the
> > DB2-L webpage at http://www.ryci.com/db2-l. The owners of the list can
be
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > the DB2-L webpage at http://www.ryci.com/db2-l. The owners of the list
can
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
>