Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial

Ajay Sahu

Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
Can anyone recommend a good tutorial book for the MVS Assembler language?
The IBM manuals seem to be more for reference than tutorials. I don't have
any prior Assembler experience.



Bill Johnson

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Ajay Sahu)
I would recommend the J. Ranade IBM series book titled Assembler for Cobol
programmers. Here is a link to view.
http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=SERIES9554.95357&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=6668712&CFTOKEN=46879768

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Craig McGinnis

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My first one was Assembler Language Programming for IBM and IBM-Compatible
Computers by Stern, Sager, & Stern. I highly recommend it if it's still
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Philip Gunning

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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Ajay, IBM used to have some pretty good assembler "How to" manuals, you
might want to search the manuals a bit more. MVS Assembler Language,
Murach, ISBN 0-911625-34-8 is a good one, check it out at
http://www.murach.com/books/mbal/index.htm. Also, do a search on
amazon.com, there are a few there. HTH Phil

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> Can anyone recommend a good tutorial book for the MVS Assembler language?
> The IBM manuals seem to be more for reference than tutorials. I don't have
> any prior Assembler experience.
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Nick Harris

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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IBM 370 Assembly Language with ASSIST, Structured Concepts and Advanced
Topics by Kacmar.

Thanks,
Nick

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Can anyone recommend a good tutorial book for the MVS Assembler language?
The IBM manuals seem to be more for reference than tutorials. I don't have
any prior Assembler experience.








Tom Hankins

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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if i missed it i apologize but lets not forget Advanced Assembler
Language and MVS Interfaces
by Carmine A. Cannatello. its very helpful.

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IBM 370 Assembly Language with ASSIST, Structured Concepts and Advanced
Topics by Kacmar.

Thanks,
Nick

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tim malamphy

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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What? No one recommends Principles of Operation as a
good tutorial? Having learned via that book, I can
understand why!

For an even more abreviated intro, there's the old
"green card" too (anyone else still have theirs?)
Probably not the same green card people think of now.

tim
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Neil Courtney

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yes, I still have my Green Card! IBM System 360 Reference Data, X201703-3.
Although I am not too sure what the latter numbers signify. Assume this is
the part number. It does not get a lot of use.

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What? No one recommends Principles of Operation as a
good tutorial? Having learned via that book, I can
understand why!

For an even more abreviated intro, there's the old
"green card" too (anyone else still have theirs?)
Probably not the same green card people think of now.

tim
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> IBM and IBM-Compatible
> Computers by Stern, Sager, & Stern. I highly
> recommend it if it's still
> available.
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Jeremiah Eden

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Yes, Green, Yellow and White. I have some mint quality purple pubs to, like
the original 3/8" thick SPF manual, and the TSO Utilities guide OS/MVT
(really miss them), and of course my 3270 display reference in case a TPUT
goes awry. However the only old DB2 manual I keep around is the 2.2
Diagnostic guide (for obvious reasons). Just remembered I still have a set
of the small black diagnostic guides the PSARs used, and a Hardback copy of
the IBM data dictionary. Maybe we could assign value to these things and
start some kind of Pokeman thing.

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What? No one recommends Principles of Operation as a
good tutorial? Having learned via that book, I can
understand why!

For an even more abreviated intro, there's the old
"green card" too (anyone else still have theirs?)
Probably not the same green card people think of now.

tim
--- Craig McGinnis <[login to unmask email]>
wrote:
> My first one was Assembler Language Programming for
> IBM and IBM-Compatible
> Computers by Stern, Sager, & Stern. I highly
> recommend it if it's still
> available.
>
>
>
>
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Eric Pearson

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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I have seen a green card (the S/360 one, not
the H1-B type) for auction on Ebay.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
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Yes, Green, Yellow and White. I have some mint quality purple pubs to, like
the original 3/8" thick SPF manual, and the TSO Utilities guide OS/MVT
(really miss them), and of course my 3270 display reference in case a TPUT
goes awry. However the only old DB2 manual I keep around is the 2.2
Diagnostic guide (for obvious reasons). Just remembered I still have a set
of the small black diagnostic guides the PSARs used, and a Hardback copy of
the IBM data dictionary. Maybe we could assign value to these things and
start some kind of Pokeman thing.

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What? No one recommends Principles of Operation as a
good tutorial? Having learned via that book, I can
understand why!

For an even more abreviated intro, there's the old
"green card" too (anyone else still have theirs?)
Probably not the same green card people think of now.

tim
--- Craig McGinnis <[login to unmask email]>
wrote:
> My first one was Assembler Language Programming for
> IBM and IBM-Compatible
> Computers by Stern, Sager, & Stern. I highly
> recommend it if it's still
> available.
>
>
>
>
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Joel Goldstein

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the later
yellow s/370 crds.
How much were they going for?

Thanks,
Joel



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Eric Pearson

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I don't remember the exact price as it was
about 2-3 years ago. I think it went about $20-25.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


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Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the later
yellow s/370 crds.
How much were they going for?

Thanks,
Joel



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the H1-B type) for auction on Ebay.

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Max Scarpa

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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Hey I've yellow, green and PINK cards I use a s bookmark, my favourite is a
//SYSIN DD *. I'll become a useless but millionaire sysprog !

Max Scarpa



Jim Dove

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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A very good book is: 'Assembler Language With Assist And Assist/I', by
Ross A. Overbeek and W.E Singletary.
You can order it through most book stores and amazon.com.





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Yes, Green, Yellow and White. I have some mint quality purple pubs to,
like
the original 3/8" thick SPF manual, and the TSO Utilities guide OS/MVT
(really miss them), and of course my 3270 display reference in case a TPUT
goes awry. However the only old DB2 manual I keep around is the 2.2
Diagnostic guide (for obvious reasons). Just remembered I still have a set
of the small black diagnostic guides the PSARs used, and a Hardback copy of
the IBM data dictionary. Maybe we could assign value to these things and
start some kind of Pokeman thing.

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Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


What? No one recommends Principles of Operation as a
good tutorial? Having learned via that book, I can
understand why!

For an even more abreviated intro, there's the old
"green card" too (anyone else still have theirs?)
Probably not the same green card people think of now.

tim
--- Craig McGinnis <[login to unmask email]>
wrote:
> My first one was Assembler Language Programming for
> IBM and IBM-Compatible
> Computers by Stern, Sager, & Stern. I highly
> recommend it if it's still
> available.
>
>
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Jeremiah Eden

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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How much would a Purple POO manual go for?

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I don't remember the exact price as it was
about 2-3 years ago. I think it went about $20-25.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


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Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the later
yellow s/370 crds.
How much were they going for?

Thanks,
Joel



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the H1-B type) for auction on Ebay.

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Eric Pearson

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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Maybe we should all list our antiquities on Ebay
(placing a sufficiently high reserve price to prevent
us from parting with these goodies) to find out
what the market will bear?

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


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How much would a Purple POO manual go for?

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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:39 AM
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I don't remember the exact price as it was
about 2-3 years ago. I think it went about $20-25.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:24 AM
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Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the later
yellow s/370 crds.
How much were they going for?

Thanks,
Joel



Message text written by DB2 Data Base Discussion List
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the H1-B type) for auction on Ebay.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
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Eric Pearson

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I think to be useless and a millionaire
you must be either a pro athlete or a
rock star or a CEO.

Regards,
Eric Pearson



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Hey I've yellow, green and PINK cards I use a s bookmark, my favourite is a
//SYSIN DD *. I'll become a useless but millionaire sysprog !

Max Scarpa








Jim Brown

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Eric Pearson)
So what kind of offers can I get for my 370/360 Assembler Language
Programming by Stern,Sager and Stern in somewhat less than mint condition?
Although the bindings are still intact.

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Maybe we should all list our antiquities on Ebay
(placing a sufficiently high reserve price to prevent
us from parting with these goodies) to find out
what the market will bear?

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


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How much would a Purple POO manual go for?

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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:39 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


I don't remember the exact price as it was
about 2-3 years ago. I think it went about $20-25.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


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Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the later
yellow s/370 crds.
How much were they going for?

Thanks,
Joel



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Bruce Smith

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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People, people, people... This stuff is 30+ years old which makes it older
than dirt. I remember all this stuff and still have some of it. How scary is
that? Guess that makes me older than dirt too. When did I get so darn old?
:-)

Now lets get in the "way-way-back" machine... Who still remembers/still has
a plug board from old IBM EAM equipment? Electric Accounting Machines were
pre-computers, used punched cards, cams and relays, were "programmed" with
jumper wires pushed into plug boards, and actually had oil drip pans under
them so oil wouldn't get on the floor... Oh, and dinosaurs still roamed the
earth. :-)

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> Regards,
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> later
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Eric Pearson

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Myron Miller)
Back in the days before electricity
I programmed a 407 board by candle light.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
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People, people, people... This stuff is 30+ years old which makes it older
than dirt. I remember all this stuff and still have some of it. How scary is
that? Guess that makes me older than dirt too. When did I get so darn old?
:-)

Now lets get in the "way-way-back" machine... Who still remembers/still has
a plug board from old IBM EAM equipment? Electric Accounting Machines were
pre-computers, used punched cards, cams and relays, were "programmed" with
jumper wires pushed into plug boards, and actually had oil drip pans under
them so oil wouldn't get on the floor... Oh, and dinosaurs still roamed the
earth. :-)

---------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> I don't remember the exact price as it was
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>
> Regards,
> Eric Pearson
> NS ITO DB2 support
>
>
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>
> Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the
> later
> yellow s/370 crds.
> How much were they going for?
>
> Thanks,
> Joel
>
>
>
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Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Bruce Smith)
Boy, that takes me back a long time. My first job was wiring those old EAM
equipment. 407s, 519s, etc. .... Guess maybe some of the old dinosaurs are
still roaming the earth. :)
--- "Smith, Bruce" <[login to unmask email]> wrote:
> People, people, people... This stuff is 30+ years old which makes it older
> than dirt. I remember all this stuff and still have some of it. How scary is
> that? Guess that makes me older than dirt too. When did I get so darn old?
> :-)
>
> Now lets get in the "way-way-back" machine... Who still remembers/still has
> a plug board from old IBM EAM equipment? Electric Accounting Machines were
> pre-computers, used punched cards, cams and relays, were "programmed" with
> jumper wires pushed into plug boards, and actually had oil drip pans under
> them so oil wouldn't get on the floor... Oh, and dinosaurs still roamed the
> earth. :-)
>
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> > How much were they going for?
> >
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Horacio Villa

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Eric Pearson)
I'm looking for the book "How to light fire (and frighten away
dinosaurs)"....
Horacio Villa
TTI S.A.
Buenos Aires - Argentina

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Enviado el: Miércoles 8 de Enero de 2003 13:14
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Back in the days before electricity
I programmed a 407 board by candle light.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Bruce [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:03 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


People, people, people... This stuff is 30+ years old which makes it older
than dirt. I remember all this stuff and still have some of it. How scary is
that? Guess that makes me older than dirt too. When did I get so darn old?
:-)

Now lets get in the "way-way-back" machine... Who still remembers/still has
a plug board from old IBM EAM equipment? Electric Accounting Machines were
pre-computers, used punched cards, cams and relays, were "programmed" with
jumper wires pushed into plug boards, and actually had oil drip pans under
them so oil wouldn't get on the floor... Oh, and dinosaurs still roamed the
earth. :-)

---------------------------------------------------------------
Brewster W. Smith, Jr.
mailto:[login to unmask email]


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremiah Eden [SMTP:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:04 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
>
> How much would a Purple POO manual go for?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:39 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
>
>
> I don't remember the exact price as it was
> about 2-3 years ago. I think it went about $20-25.
>
> Regards,
> Eric Pearson
> NS ITO DB2 support
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Goldstein [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:24 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
>
>
> Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the
> later
> yellow s/370 crds.
> How much were they going for?
>
> Thanks,
> Joel
>
>
>
> Message text written by DB2 Data Base Discussion List
> >I have seen a green card (the S/360 one, not
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III Edward(Ed) J. Finnell

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Horacio Villa)
Just when you think they're extinct, found a hollerith card in the parking lot with
a time stamp. They're using them for parking validation at the student health center.
Don't think we've purchased any since 1974, somebody's got a stash.....

> Boy, that takes me back a long time. My first job was wiring those old EAM
> equipment. 407s, 519s, etc. .... Guess maybe some of the old dinosaurs are
> still roaming the earth. :)



Richard Humphris

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to III Edward(Ed) J. Finnell)
I've got a principals of operation manual for a 1401 (i.e. a real dinosaur
from before the 360) which I've got at home. I never worked on it, but it
makes for some interesting reading; it had some crazy architecture.

Rich Humphris



Ken Koleto

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Richard Humphris)
IBM Flowcharting Template, anyone? Good condition in original sleeve. IBM
form GX20-8020. I did most of my flow diagrams freehand on the back of old
'core' dumps, bar napkins, whatever... ;-)

Ken



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Humphris [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:56 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


I've got a principals of operation manual for a 1401 (i.e. a real dinosaur
from before the 360) which I've got at home. I never worked on it, but it
makes for some interesting reading; it had some crazy architecture.

Rich Humphris





Eric Pearson

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Ken Koleto)
I actually worked on 1401 code a bit.
The assembler was called 'autocoder'.
moves were backward relative to S/360, someting like:
MOV SOURCE,DEST
instead of
MVC DEST,SOURCE

Later working on this got me the 'opportunity'
to convert some 1401 code to S/360 assembler.
Good old days! Real programmers coded in
assembler, or even without one! Programmers
could get much better turnaround by dating a
keypunch operator.

Regards,
Eric Pearson



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Humphris [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:56 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


I've got a principals of operation manual for a 1401 (i.e. a real dinosaur
from before the 360) which I've got at home. I never worked on it, but it
makes for some interesting reading; it had some crazy architecture.

Rich Humphris








Jeremiah Eden

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Eric Pearson)
Got one. What about Paper Punch Tape for a PDP-1110?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:30 PM
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IBM Flowcharting Template, anyone? Good condition in original sleeve. IBM
form GX20-8020. I did most of my flow diagrams freehand on the back of old
'core' dumps, bar napkins, whatever... ;-)

Ken



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Humphris [mailto:[login to unmask email]
<mailto:[login to unmask email]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


I've got a principals of operation manual for a 1401 (i.e. a real dinosaur
from before the 360) which I've got at home. I never worked on it, but it
makes for some interesting reading; it had some crazy architecture.

Rich Humphris



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Neil Courtney

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Jeremiah Eden)
I have an aluminium card gauge on top of my monitor at work (along with a
duff memory card from a Toshiba laptop to keep me aware of what runs our
machines these days). I have only been asked once "What is that thing?". It
is not for sale. And several flow chart templates, somewhere.

Cheers,
Neil
"MG - Life's too short not to"


-----Original Message-----
From: Edward(Ed) J. Finnell, III [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:28 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


Just when you think they're extinct, found a hollerith card in the parking
lot with
a time stamp. They're using them for parking validation at the student
health center.
Don't think we've purchased any since 1974, somebody's got a stash.....

> Boy, that takes me back a long time. My first job was wiring those old
EAM
> equipment. 407s, 519s, etc. .... Guess maybe some of the old dinosaurs
are
> still roaming the earth. :)








Joel Goldstein

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Neil Courtney)
Ok fellow dinosaurs.
Used punch tape, still have the flow chart templates, just threw away the
1401 autocoder manuals
a couple of years ago. Also wired a couple of eam boards.
Think I still have the S/360 P of OP someplace.
Also have a couple of programs here on punch cards.....
I'm also a real packrat.
Anybody else remember an old card puch that was completely manual, and
could punch only
one digit or overpunch at a time.... so alphas and op codes required you to
punch the same column multiple times?????
Maybe we should have a dinosaur group mtg at IDUG or Tech conf?

Regards,
Joel

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>Got one. What about Paper Punch Tape for a PDP-1110?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:30 PM
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Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial



IBM Flowcharting Template, anyone? Good condition in original sleeve. IBM
form GX20-8020. I did most of my flow diagrams freehand on the back of old
'core' dumps, bar napkins, whatever... ;-)

Ken



-----Original Message-----
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<mailto:[login to unmask email]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:56 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


I've got a principals of operation manual for a 1401 (i.e. a real dinosaur
from before the 360) which I've got at home. I never worked on it, but it
makes for some interesting reading; it had some crazy architecture.
<



Paul Wendt

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Joel Goldstein)
Yes, I used a card punch like that when I was in college,
for programing the IBM 1620. I remember creating a birthday
card with the punch by punching multiple columns to from
block letters for HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

The 1620 was a nice computer, somewhat similar to the
1401, except decimal/scientific oriented. Each of the 20,000
(to 60,000 max, I think) decimal addressable memory locations
was a decimal number, with an additional field mark bit.
Numeric values were called "fields" and addressed by the
low order digit, proceeding left until a field mark was encountered.
Therefore numbers could be any number of digits up to the limit
of memory. I wrote a factorial program, and used to have a printout
of something above 100 factorial, with well in excess of 100 digits.

Paul Wendt





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Ok fellow dinosaurs.
Used punch tape, still have the flow chart templates, just threw away the
1401 autocoder manuals
a couple of years ago. Also wired a couple of eam boards.
Think I still have the S/360 P of OP someplace.
Also have a couple of programs here on punch cards.....
I'm also a real packrat.
Anybody else remember an old card puch that was completely manual, and
could punch only
one digit or overpunch at a time.... so alphas and op codes required you
to
punch the same column multiple times?????
Maybe we should have a dinosaur group mtg at IDUG or Tech conf?

Regards,
Joel

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>Got one. What about Paper Punch Tape for a PDP-1110?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:30 PM
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Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial



IBM Flowcharting Template, anyone? Good condition in original sleeve. IBM
form GX20-8020. I did most of my flow diagrams freehand on the back of old
'core' dumps, bar napkins, whatever... ;-)

Ken



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Humphris [mailto:[login to unmask email]
<mailto:[login to unmask email]> ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:56 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


I've got a principals of operation manual for a 1401 (i.e. a real dinosaur
from before the 360) which I've got at home. I never worked on it, but it
makes for some interesting reading; it had some crazy architecture.
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Moyeen Khan

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Paul Wendt)
Does anybody still have a punch card and is it possible for them to send
one to me ( I will bear the postage ) I would like to show them 'my days of
computing'. Thanks



David S Waugh

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Moyeen Khan)
It's in the "How To" section of the bookstore where the "How to Kill Vampires", "How to Drown a Witch" and "How to Burn Heretics at the Stake" books are.

David (the dinosaur) Waugh

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From: Villa Horacio <[login to unmask email]>
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Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:17:24 -0300

I'm looking for the book "How to light fire (and frighten away
dinosaurs)"....
Horacio Villa
TTI S.A.
Buenos Aires - Argentina

-----Mensaje original-----
De: DB2 Data Base Discussion List En nombre de Pearson, Eric L,
Enviado el: Miércoles 8 de Enero de 2003 13:14
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Asunto: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


Back in the days before electricity
I programmed a 407 board by candle light.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Bruce [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:03 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


People, people, people... This stuff is 30+ years old which makes it older
than dirt. I remember all this stuff and still have some of it. How scary is
that? Guess that makes me older than dirt too. When did I get so darn old?
:-)

Now lets get in the "way-way-back" machine... Who still remembers/still has
a plug board from old IBM EAM equipment? Electric Accounting Machines were
pre-computers, used punched cards, cams and relays, were "programmed" with
jumper wires pushed into plug boards, and actually had oil drip pans under
them so oil wouldn't get on the floor... Oh, and dinosaurs still roamed the
earth. :-)

---------------------------------------------------------------
Brewster W. Smith, Jr.
mailto:[login to unmask email]


> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:04 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
>
> How much would a Purple POO manual go for?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pearson, Eric L, [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:39 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
>
>
> I don't remember the exact price as it was
> about 2-3 years ago. I think it went about $20-25.
>
> Regards,
> Eric Pearson
> NS ITO DB2 support
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Goldstein [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:24 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
>
>
> Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the
> later
> yellow s/370 crds.
> How much were they going for?
>
> Thanks,
> Joel
>
>
>
> Message text written by DB2 Data Base Discussion List
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> the H1-B type) for auction on Ebay.
>
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> Eric Pearson
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David S Waugh

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to David S Waugh)
Oh, Maaaaannnnnn -- I used to have all this stuff (Flowchart Template, S/360 POO, Punch cards, Green/Yellow/White/Pink cards, etc.). And I THREW IT AWAY a year ago in a fit of organizational frenzy during the latest of my many mid-life crisis. I COULDA BEEN A HUNDREDAIRE! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!

I also used to work with paper tape, EAM machines (my first "programming" experience), 1401s, Autocoder and many things my dimming memory won't recall anymore. Even dated a keypunch operator (and I WAS a keypunch operator early on). Somehow missed out on the "completely manual card punch" though (darn!).

I don't know whether to thank you all for the nostalgia rush or go home and shoot myself because now I feel REALLY OLD!

Really good to see some humor pop up on DB2-L for a change -- things have been getting kinda droll lately...

David (the dinosaur) Waugh

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From: "Pearson, Eric L," <[login to unmask email]>
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:15:16 -0500

Maybe we should all list our antiquities on Ebay
(placing a sufficiently high reserve price to prevent
us from parting with these goodies) to find out
what the market will bear?

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremiah Eden [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:04 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


How much would a Purple POO manual go for?

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From: Pearson, Eric L, [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:39 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


I don't remember the exact price as it was
about 2-3 years ago. I think it went about $20-25.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Goldstein [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:24 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the later
yellow s/370 crds.
How much were they going for?

Thanks,
Joel



Message text written by DB2 Data Base Discussion List
>I have seen a green card (the S/360 one, not
the H1-B type) for auction on Ebay.

Regards,
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NS ITO DB2 support<



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Roy Reynolds

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to David S Waugh)
OK, OK! Your CHECK STOP light just came on.
roy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:25 PM
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Subject: Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial


Yes, I used a card punch like that when I was in college,
for programing the IBM 1620. I remember creating a birthday card with
the punch by punching multiple columns to from block letters for HAPPY
BIRTHDAY.

The 1620 was a nice computer, somewhat similar to the
1401, except decimal/scientific oriented. Each of the 20,000 (to 60,000
max, I think) decimal addressable memory locations was a decimal number,
with an additional field mark bit. Numeric values were called "fields"
and addressed by the low order digit, proceeding left until a field mark
was encountered. Therefore numbers could be any number of digits up to
the limit of memory. I wrote a factorial program, and used to have a
printout of something above 100 factorial, with well in excess of 100
digits.

Paul Wendt





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Ok fellow dinosaurs.
Used punch tape, still have the flow chart templates, just threw away
the 1401 autocoder manuals a couple of years ago. Also wired a couple
of eam boards. Think I still have the S/360 P of OP someplace. Also have
a couple of programs here on punch cards..... I'm also a real packrat.
Anybody else remember an old card puch that was completely manual, and
could punch only one digit or overpunch at a time.... so alphas and op
codes required you to punch the same column multiple times????? Maybe we
should have a dinosaur group mtg at IDUG or Tech conf?

Regards,
Joel

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IBM Flowcharting Template, anyone? Good condition in original sleeve.
IBM form GX20-8020. I did most of my flow diagrams freehand on the back
of old
'core' dumps, bar napkins, whatever... ;-)

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III Edward(Ed) J. Finnell

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Roy Reynolds)
How about a link?

http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/history.html

> Does anybody still have a punch card and is it possible for them to send
> one to me ( I will bear the postage ) I would like to show them 'my days of
> computing'. Thanks
>
>
>



Ava Collins

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to III Edward(Ed) J. Finnell)
Still have the ratty-edged green card, the template . . . My workstudy job
in college was programming an IBM1130 for the Statistics department. The
group I was working with included Jim Goodnight who later created SAS.
(Missed opportunity there!)

Worked with the Frieden Flexowriter that had those wired cards, and the
Olivetti A4 which you had to screw, yes screw, the metal tabs on to make it
execute an instruction. The Olivetti A7 had a 16 character display panel and
was programmed in Assembler, but converted to hex, and the hex instructions
were keyed into it. The Olivetti A5 had punch tape as output and so did the
Frieden Flexowriter which was loaded onto machine tools in the plant. Wasn't
allowed in the plant because I'm female and might distract the plant
employees and cause an accident.

I did win a trip to Italy from Olivetti for being one of the top 3
programmers on the East Coast. That was back when they could write such
things off as business expenses.

If you're in Philly, go to the Ben Franklin Museum. They have displays of
slide rules, a s/360, keypunches, sorters, punch cards, the works.

Jacquie (Dina - sauras)

Horacio Villa

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Ava Collins)
I see you really got my point......

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It's in the "How To" section of the bookstore where the "How to Kill
Vampires", "How to Drown a Witch" and "How to Burn Heretics at the Stake"
books are.

David (the dinosaur) Waugh

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I'm looking for the book "How to light fire (and frighten away
dinosaurs)"....
Horacio Villa
TTI S.A.
Buenos Aires - Argentina

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Back in the days before electricity
I programmed a 407 board by candle light.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
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People, people, people... This stuff is 30+ years old which makes it older
than dirt. I remember all this stuff and still have some of it. How scary is
that? Guess that makes me older than dirt too. When did I get so darn old?
:-)

Now lets get in the "way-way-back" machine... Who still remembers/still has
a plug board from old IBM EAM equipment? Electric Accounting Machines were
pre-computers, used punched cards, cams and relays, were "programmed" with
jumper wires pushed into plug boards, and actually had oil drip pans under
them so oil wouldn't get on the floor... Oh, and dinosaurs still roamed the
earth. :-)

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> Wow, I still have two of those s/360 green cards, and a couple of the
> later
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Hank Merritt

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(in response to Horacio Villa)
OK, now that we've vented our mainframe histories, how about the little
boxes?

Around the time that DEC was shipping the PDP-11, did anyone build the kits
that
were the first 8K PC's (several years before IBM noticed)? They read paper
tape
as input but only after you "keyed in" the bootstrap loader by setting 8
toggle
switches and pushing a button for each byte you were entering. A friend had
a
Startrek game written in TinyBasic which loaded into 1K of memory. The box
we
used was an ALTAIR and I think there was something called an IMSAI.

Now, everybody knows Pentium, and 386 or 486 which were properly 80386 and
80486.
The first AT machines ran on 80286 chips, I believe, but the original IBM
ran on
an 8086 chip from Intel. Before that was the 8088 and the 8080. How many
know
that there was an industrial process controller with a 4 bit word, running
on an
Intel 4040 (or maybe it was a 4004). Truth!

Which, of course, leads up to a dinosaur era joke about the latest and
greatest new
processor from Intel -- the 1001. Easy to learn and capable of the most
common data
processing functions, this one bit processor had two powerful instructions
in its
set: 0 = NOP, 1 = Halt/Crash.

(Even management could learn to program those!)

Hank

Michael McCawley

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
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Light fire - Zippo
Frighten Dinosaur - Unix


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>I'm looking for the book "How to light fire (and frighten away
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>Horacio Villa
>TTI S.A.
>Buenos Aires - Argentina
>
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>Back in the days before electricity
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>People, people, people... This stuff is 30+ years old which makes it =
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Michael Bruzdzinski

Re: Assembler ( HLASM ) book or tutorial
(in response to Michael McCawley)
Joel,

I still have one of those manual crank style punches under my desk--just in
case!

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Ok fellow dinosaurs.
Used punch tape, still have the flow chart templates, just threw away the
1401 autocoder manuals
a couple of years ago. Also wired a couple of eam boards.
Think I still have the S/360 P of OP someplace.
Also have a couple of programs here on punch cards.....
I'm also a real packrat.
Anybody else remember an old card puch that was completely manual, and
could punch only
one digit or overpunch at a time.... so alphas and op codes required you to
punch the same column multiple times?????
Maybe we should have a dinosaur group mtg at IDUG or Tech conf?

Regards,
Joel

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IBM Flowcharting Template, anyone? Good condition in original sleeve. IBM
form GX20-8020. I did most of my flow diagrams freehand on the back of old
'core' dumps, bar napkins, whatever... ;-)

Ken



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I've got a principals of operation manual for a 1401 (i.e. a real dinosaur
from before the 360) which I've got at home. I never worked on it, but it
makes for some interesting reading; it had some crazy architecture.
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