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Dinosaurs
Sorry Max,

Women are just a bit touchy about admitting their age.

Yes, I started by wiring boards, I still have a card box full of wires and
my wiring gun.
I do remember using manual card punches. I still have my card needle for
checking results from the sorter.

I have converted 1401 autocoder to COBOL. I still have several flowchart
templates including one from Honeywell and one from RCA.
I have green, yellow and pink cards, a copy of Principles of Ops /360 and a
COBOL 65 manual.

And my role model was Grace Hopper.

Carol Sutfin
Corporate DBA
AmSouth Bank
(205)326-5214 Fax:(205)326-5613
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Michael Ebert

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to csutfin@AMSOUTH.COM)
About half a year ago I subscribed to the IBM-MAIN list. A couple of weeks
later I signed off again because receiving 30 mails a day along the lines
of "Do you remember the days when disks were drums..." soon became too
much for me.
I don't want this to happen on this list! Let's get back to talking DB2!

Dr. Michael Ebert
DB2 Database Administrator
aMaDEUS Data Processing
Erding / Munich, Germany



Sorry Max,

Women are just a bit touchy about admitting their age.

Yes, I started by wiring boards, I still have a card box full of wires and
my wiring gun.
I do remember using manual card punches. I still have my card needle for
checking results from the sorter.

I have converted 1401 autocoder to COBOL. I still have several flowchart
templates including one from Honeywell and one from RCA.
I have green, yellow and pink cards, a copy of Principles of Ops /360 and
a
COBOL 65 manual.

And my role model was Grace Hopper.

Carol Sutfin
Corporate DBA
AmSouth Bank
(205)326-5214 Fax:(205)326-5613
[login to unmask email]

[login to unmask email]

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Michael Ebert)
Carol, a few years ago I threw out my old 650 and 1401 and reference
manuals. My first 6 weeks training as an IBM SE was on unit record
equipment. The neat thing about the "good old days" (pre-360) was that if
you worked in the right place (I was in the New York City Financial and
Time-Life Datacenters) you could be pretty conversant and up to date in
EVERYTHING (Autocoder, RPG, FORTRAN, COBOL, sort software, etc.). At the
Financial Datacener we had a 1419 MICR reader/sorter, 1428 optical scanner,
1401's, 1440's, 1460, 1410 with 1301 disks, and a 1620 with a plotter.
Then came the 360, 1050, etc.

George



Max Scarpa

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to truman.g.brown@VERIZON.COM)
Hi Carol nice to meet you. How is it ? Here it's snowing a lot.....and what
about you ??

Of course ! Never ask a lady her age !! It's impolite ! Only flowers &
kisses (and diamonds if enough $$$$) to ladies.

While I was doing 'computer stratigraphy' (in a previous life I won a
degree in geology & geophysics) I realized that (probably) I'm a dinosaur
of late Cretaceous, just before extinction as I used cards only for few
days, then I started to work with VAX-VMS and IBM S/370 using terminals
(1984, while I was at the university) and JCL. I never saw anything older,
the oldest machine I know is IBM 3090-600 (1987) . I always worked with IBM
mainframes and JCL (actually I worked for a brief period with a CRAY XMP).
I succeded in avoiding UNIX/ORACLE soap boxes, but it's becoming difficult
to do, at least in Italy. And mainframers are becoming older than UNIXers
even here.

Grace Hopper....Grace Hopper...mmmhhhhh.....a familiar name.....

ANYWAY age doesn't matter, it's what and how you feel that makes the
difference ! And WE (mainframes) are the best !!

Ciao (& a small kiss, if I'm allowed)

Max Scarpa
The Useless



Max Scarpa

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Max Scarpa)
I like it. I can learn something new. And a simple mail filter can help.



Max Scarpa

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Max Scarpa)
BTW I'm still a happy member of IBM-MAIN list (since year 2000)



Jeremiah Eden

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Max Scarpa)
One last comment and I'll quit. I can always shout over the cube, since the
average age in my department is over 53, ...we all roamed the earth with
trilobites. So, anyone ever work on a XEROX sigma series? Also, does anyone
still have a punch card deck to IPL off of in case the IPL volume is offline
or corrupted or clipped wrong...guess they don't use the word 'clip'
anymore. Of course you had to have a card reader. I'm through now. Back to
the dumps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Scarpa [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


BTW I'm still a happy member of IBM-MAIN list (since year 2000)








Brian Perryman

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Jeremiah Eden)
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. If I may rather badly
quote Obi-Wan Kenobi..

Sigma - my first job as an operator was on a machine which ITT manufactured
(for telephone exchange and PABX simulation), which I'm told was basically a
Sigma (Sigma 6?). Can't remember the model. ITT called theirs a 3200 anyway.

But I'll shut up about it now.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremiah Eden [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: 09 January 2003 16:24
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


One last comment and I'll quit. I can always shout over the cube, since the
average age in my department is over 53, ...we all roamed the earth with
trilobites. So, anyone ever work on a XEROX sigma series? Also, does anyone
still have a punch card deck to IPL off of in case the IPL volume is offline
or corrupted or clipped wrong...guess they don't use the word 'clip'
anymore. Of course you had to have a card reader. I'm through now. Back to
the dumps.
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Marco Poma

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Brian Perryman)
Hei Max,
as I am a missing dinosaur, could you please, send me the address of
IBM-MAIN?
Tia,


Max Scarpa wrote:

>BTW I'm still a happy member of IBM-MAIN list (since year 2000)
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Eric Pearson

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Marco Poma)
CLIP is still in current usage here.

Regards,
Eric Pearson
NS ITO DB2 support


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremiah Eden [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:24 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


One last comment and I'll quit. I can always shout over the cube, since the
average age in my department is over 53, ...we all roamed the earth with
trilobites. So, anyone ever work on a XEROX sigma series? Also, does anyone
still have a punch card deck to IPL off of in case the IPL volume is offline
or corrupted or clipped wrong...guess they don't use the word 'clip'
anymore. Of course you had to have a card reader. I'm through now. Back to
the dumps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Scarpa [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


BTW I'm still a happy member of IBM-MAIN list (since year 2000)













Arthur Calvetti

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Eric Pearson)
My two cents. How about talking about Core as oppose to memory.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremiah Eden [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:24 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


One last comment and I'll quit. I can always shout over the cube, since the
average age in my department is over 53, ...we all roamed the earth with
trilobites. So, anyone ever work on a XEROX sigma series? Also, does anyone
still have a punch card deck to IPL off of in case the IPL volume is offline
or corrupted or clipped wrong...guess they don't use the word 'clip'
anymore. Of course you had to have a card reader. I'm through now. Back to
the dumps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Scarpa [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


BTW I'm still a happy member of IBM-MAIN list (since year 2000)













Isaac Yassin

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Arthur Calvetti)
I agree.

We used punched cards to cut our wedding cake :-)
(The pates from TC-50 couldn't be used for that ...)


Isaac Yassin

-----Original Message-----
From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email]
On Behalf Of Dr. Michael Ebert
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:33 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs



About half a year ago I subscribed to the IBM-MAIN list. A couple of
weeks later I signed off again because receiving 30 mails a day along
the lines of "Do you remember the days when disks were drums..." soon
became too much for me.
I don't want this to happen on this list! Let's get back to talking DB2!


Dr. Michael Ebert
DB2 Database Administrator
aMaDEUS Data Processing
Erding / Munich, Germany


Sorry Max,


Robert J. Milonas

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Isaac Yassin)
I got a cake this morning celebrating 35 years with the company. When I started here, we had four 2311 drives, on the big mod40(64k)machine. The other one mod30(16k) was only cards and tape with a 4k Bos card deck. I looked up 2311 and four it only had 7.5meg. So we were playing with 30meg online. Now I have more than twice that that on my MP3 player.

One dinosaur says to the other dinosaur, when I started in DP all we had was zeroes and one. The other dinosaur says, You had zeroes!


Jeremiah Eden <[login to unmask email]> wrote:

>One last comment and I'll quit. I can always shout over the cube, since the
>average age in my department is over 53, ...we all roamed the earth with
>trilobites. So, anyone ever work on a XEROX sigma series? Also, does anyone
>still have a punch card deck to IPL off of in case the IPL volume is offline
>or corrupted or clipped wrong...guess they don't use the word 'clip'
>anymore. Of course you had to have a card reader. I'm through now. Back to
>the dumps.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Max Scarpa [mailto:[login to unmask email]
>Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
>To: [login to unmask email]
>Subject: Re: Dinosaurs
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>BTW I'm still a happy member of IBM-MAIN list (since year 2000)
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III Edward(Ed) J. Finnell

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Robert J. Milonas)
<The easiest way to get to us is at bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html There you
< may subscribe and set your preferred options for participating. Alternatively, send
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> Hei Max,
> as I am a missing dinosaur, could you please, send me the address of
> IBM-MAIN?
> Tia,
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Jeremiah Eden

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to III Edward(Ed) J. Finnell)
It's time to stop. But it was all worth it for that Joke. Best one I've
heard in 60 million years. The last one was about ...when it's a Cold day
in July I'll...

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert J. Milonas [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:35 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


I got a cake this morning celebrating 35 years with the company. When I
started here, we had four 2311 drives, on the big mod40(64k)machine. The
other one mod30(16k) was only cards and tape with a 4k Bos card deck. I
looked up 2311 and four it only had 7.5meg. So we were playing with 30meg
online. Now I have more than twice that that on my MP3 player.

One dinosaur says to the other dinosaur, when I started in DP all we had was
zeroes and one. The other dinosaur says, You had zeroes!


Jeremiah Eden <[login to unmask email]> wrote:

>One last comment and I'll quit. I can always shout over the cube, since the
>average age in my department is over 53, ...we all roamed the earth with
>trilobites. So, anyone ever work on a XEROX sigma series? Also, does anyone
>still have a punch card deck to IPL off of in case the IPL volume is
offline
>or corrupted or clipped wrong...guess they don't use the word 'clip'
>anymore. Of course you had to have a card reader. I'm through now. Back to
>the dumps.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Max Scarpa [mailto:[login to unmask email]
>Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:01 AM
>To: [login to unmask email]
>Subject: Re: Dinosaurs
>
>
>BTW I'm still a happy member of IBM-MAIN list (since year 2000)
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Max Scarpa

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Jeremiah Eden)

Hi Isaac, my friend

No problem if you don't like that thread but imagine.......A DB2 lister's phone is ringing and she/he answers....

"This is xyz tv most popular quiz show. For a zillion of dollar, can you tell us the name of an IBM computer using punched cards ???"

"IBM 1620 !!"

If that lister (me, for instance) would have deleted all posts in DB2-L before reading them she/he would never have won a zillion of dollar....

That to say that even in (apparently) stupid things there's an opportunity :-), it's our choice to catch it. And  I think we are 'big' and professional enough to understand when to stop a thread, even without a (debatable) rant of some lister. List owner(s) it the right person to do that, if the case. We can only write opinions.

There's no one with a gun who obliges me to read all the posts (and I do not read all post) a mail filter can do the job.

 

See ya in the Net

Max Scarpa

Next zillionaire DB2 sysprog

 

 

 

 

 

David S Waugh

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Max Scarpa)
To all of you who are thinking "Enough Already!":

Admittedly, this latest wave of nostalgia from us 'dinosaurs' may have gone on a little too long. However, I would like all of you "let's be serious here" types to give all of us with a light-hearted, goofy, or nostalgic bent a little slack.

Some of us work in very stressful environments, some of us do drudge work day after day, some of us work with difficult people & pointy-haired bosses. It's nice to get a little break from that, and the humorous & off-topic things people post to DB2-L from time to time helps lifts our spirits (well, mine anyway). It's comforting to know I'm not the only dinosaur left on the planet. And if I can laugh for a few minutes each day, I'm easier to work with (which pleases my co-workers endlessly). I even learn a few interesting things I didn't know (like how to calculate A*B in new & different ways, in case I ever decide to abandon my principles and interview with Microsoft).

Don't worry -- the goofiness & nostalgia won't last forever, and there's always the DELETE button while it does. We'll get back to being serious soon enough - just let us play for a little while, OK? Life's too short to be taken seriously ALL the time...

My pet peeve about this forum is not the humor or nostalgia or off-topic posts, but the snippy little comments and one-upsmanship that goes on from time to time. I could do without those, but I'm not about to let them drive me away from DB2-L - it's much too valuable.

Thanks for letting me rant. I feel much better now...

David Waugh
Certified Dinosaur, Older than Dirt
===
Creative BUMPER STICKERS (from www.dumbbumpers.com)
===
> Reality is the leading cause of stress
> I've had it with reality. Now I want my fairy godmother!
> Some days it just isn't worth chewing through the straps.
> Of course I'm out of my mind, it's dark and scary in there!
> Gone Crazy -- Back soon
> We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile.


---------- "Dr. Michael Ebert" <[login to unmask email]> writes:

About half a year ago I subscribed to the IBM-MAIN list. A couple of weeks later I signed off again because receiving 30 mails a day along the lines of "Do you remember the days when disks were drums..." soon became too much for me.
I don't want this to happen on this list! Let's get back to talking DB2!

Dr. Michael Ebert
DB2 Database Administrator
aMaDEUS Data Processing
Erding / Munich, Germany



Sorry Max,

Women are just a bit touchy about admitting their age.

Yes, I started by wiring boards, I still have a card box full of wires and my wiring gun.
I do remember using manual card punches. I still have my card needle for checking results from the sorter.

I have converted 1401 autocoder to COBOL. I still have several flowchart templates including one from Honeywell and one from RCA.
I have green, yellow and pink cards, a copy of Principles of Ops /360 and a COBOL 65 manual.

And my role model was Grace Hopper.

Carol Sutfin
Corporate DBA
AmSouth Bank
(205)326-5214 Fax:(205)326-5613
[login to unmask email]



Isaac Yassin

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to David S Waugh)
Hi Max, Long time no see...

Sorry you missed the point (maybe I wrote it wrong :-( )

The addendum (about the wedding cake) is 100% true !!!!
and it was the only pun I meant .



Isaac




-----Original Message-----
From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email]
On Behalf Of Max Scarpa
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:54 PM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs



Hi Isaac, my friend

No problem if you don't like that thread but imagine.......A DB2
lister's phone is ringing and she/he answers....

"This is xyz tv most popular quiz show. For a zillion of dollar, can you
tell us the name of an IBM computer using punched cards ???"

"IBM 1620 !!"

If that lister (me, for instance) would have deleted all posts in DB2-L
before reading them she/he would never have won a zillion of dollar....

That to say that even in (apparently) stupid things there's an
opportunity :-), it's our choice to catch it. And I think we are 'big'
and professional enough to understand when to stop a thread, even
without a (debatable) rant of some lister. List owner(s) it the right
person to do that, if the case. We can only write opinions.

There's no one with a gun who obliges me to read all the posts (and I do
not read all post) a mail filter can do the job.



See ya in the Net

Max Scarpa

Next zillionaire DB2 sysprog











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Max Scarpa

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Isaac Yassin)
Hi Marco

You can reach IBM-MAIN newsgroup via web at:

http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html

Here you can subscribe as well to receive lister's posts via email.

In my opinion It's a good ng, with many interesting topics related to DB2
(I/O,memory usage, expecially for WLM and system tuning where I'm currently
working, etc) and to our job in general (ISPF, LM services, REXX, etc). I
saw many posts from DB2-L listers as well.

The listers have a good sense of humor but someone said there's a lot of
people writing stupid things.

HTH
Max Scarpa



Max Scarpa

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Max Scarpa)
Hi David

As I wrote in a previous reply I agree with you, List owner is the right
person to say 'Shut up !', he has the POWER to kill the thread, if the
case. But I didn't see any netiquette violations so there's no need to stop
this innocent joke, the thread will finish soon........to start again with
the new entry 'non-DB2 quiz' :-)). Someone won't approve it, but the
'DELETE' button was built even for these cases.

There's always something new to learn and an opportunity in everything.
Even in some 'stupid' DB2-L posts. Even in Microsoft's interviews.

Best regards
Max Scarpa



Max Scarpa

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Max Scarpa)
Hi Isaac

Probably You're right, I missed the right point (but in my mail it appeared
a little bit confused) so I didn't interpretate the post correctly. I
apologize for that. You'll beat me better tonite via MSN, when I'll be
online :-)

Let's wait, we could win a zillion of dollar........who knows ?

Have a nice day and tune your system up !

Cheerz
Max Scarpa



Marco Poma

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Max Scarpa)
Thank you very much Max..

Max Scarpa wrote:

>Hi Marco
>
>You can reach IBM-MAIN newsgroup via web at:
>
> http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
>
>Here you can subscribe as well to receive lister's posts via email.
>
>In my opinion It's a good ng, with many interesting topics related to DB2
>(I/O,memory usage, expecially for WLM and system tuning where I'm currently
>working, etc) and to our job in general (ISPF, LM services, REXX, etc). I
>saw many posts from DB2-L listers as well.
>
>The listers have a good sense of humor but someone said there's a lot of
>people writing stupid things.
>
>HTH
>Max Scarpa
>
>
>
>
>
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Tina Hilton

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Marco Poma)
My first job was on a Xerox Sigma (2, I think) back in 1979. I worked for a
telephone company and we had a Bell Labs application for our service order
system. We had 2 systems (somehow) tied together with one ready to take
over during the day if the first one failed. Removable disk and everything!
I worked on that for less than a year before I transferred and got to work
on a Tandem, writing the application to replace it. They ended up selling
the machine to someone who put it in a vat of acid to get the gold out of
it.

Tina

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremiah Eden [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: January 09, 2003 11:24 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: Dinosaurs


One last comment and I'll quit. I can always shout over the cube, since the
average age in my department is over 53, ...we all roamed the earth with
trilobites. So, anyone ever work on a XEROX sigma series? Also, does anyone
still have a punch card deck to IPL off of in case the IPL volume is offline
or corrupted or clipped wrong...guess they don't use the word 'clip'
anymore. Of course you had to have a card reader. I'm through now. Back to
the dumps.



[login to unmask email]

Re: Dinosaurs
(in response to Tina Hilton)
Ah, David, Oneupsmanship (like Gamesmanship and Gameslifemastery) - Stephen
Potter is alive and well. The movie was "School For Scoundrels" with
Alistair Sim as the headmaster. Subtitle for Gamesmanship was "How to Win
Wothout Actually Cheating".

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