[DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedul e Now Live!

Georg Peter

[DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedul e Now Live!
COWBELL - what is that ?

With kind regards - mit freundlichen Gruessen,
G e o r g H . P e t e r
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Now Live!



Phil,

As a card caring IDUG member, I demand we have more COWBELL!!!

WE NEED MORE COWBELL!!!


Sorry for those who don't get it.

Happy Holidays!!




>>> [login to unmask email] 12/15/05 4:52 AM >>>



OK, in an attempt to send Cathy Taddei a concise reply I inadvertently made
my comments OVERLY concise and (hence) misleading!

What I meant to say is that "NO VENDORS are permitted by IDUG to present
MARKETING presentations on their tools" - this means no presentations which
compare their products with those of other vendors (no comparisons on
usability, features, performance etc etc). There are certainly no
restrictions on USERS presenting sessions on their use of any vendors
products, indeed there are in fact no restrictions on VENDORS themselves
presenting sessions on the technicalities of their products.

However, during the abstract selection process, as IDUG is a DB2 conference,
various planning committees have been "reluctant" to get too involved in the
selection of "tools sessions" when there are many possible presentations on
DB2 itself.

As I mentioned, this is being addressed in the conference model for North
American IDUG in Tampa (which will hopefully be extended to European IDUG
next October) to have a specific "track" available for vendors to do
TECHNICAL (i.e. non-marketing) sessions on their products.

I hope that clarifies things a bit more. I guess the moral is "don't write
important eMails late at night" and "don't try and simplify explanations to
the extent that the meaning of the explanation is changed"

Sorry


Phil Grainger
CA
Product Manager, DB2
Tel: +44 (0)161 928 9334
Fax: +44 (0)161 941 3775
Mobile: +44 (0)7970 125 752
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From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On Behalf
Of Taddei, Cathy
Sent: 13 December 2005 22:12
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedule
Now Live!


Since you asked...I would like to see technical presentations on the
internals of CA products, such as Insight, Rapid Reorg, Merge/Modify, Quick
Copy, and so forth. Most of the CA technical presentations I've seen seem
to duplicate IBM's effort to cover DB2. Phil Grainger and I had this
conversation this morning, and he explained to me that until now, "NO-ONE is
allowed to do presentations on PRODUCTS FOR SALE apart from customers (not
IBM and not vendors). This was originally to prevent vendors from turning
IDUG into a marketing free-for-all". He indicated that this is changing,
starting next May in Tampa. I hope I will see a bit more technical depth on
CA products than is available in the manuals.

Regards,
Cathy Taddei
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Max Scarpa

Re: AW: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedul e Now Live!
(in response to John Wynton)
The bell for cow......tied up to their neck

Max Scarpa
Certified cowman

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John Wynton

Re: AW: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedul e Now Live!
(in response to Georg Peter)
A cockney programmining language?

John Wynton

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Subject: [DB2-L] AW: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedul e Now Live!


COWBELL - what is that ?

With kind regards - mit freundlichen Gruessen,
G e o r g H . P e t e r
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Phil,

As a card caring IDUG member, I demand we have more COWBELL!!!

WE NEED MORE COWBELL!!!


Sorry for those who don't get it.

Happy Holidays!!




>>> [login to unmask email] 12/15/05 4:52 AM >>>



OK, in an attempt to send Cathy Taddei a concise reply I inadvertently made my comments OVERLY concise and (hence) misleading!

What I meant to say is that "NO VENDORS are permitted by IDUG to present MARKETING presentations on their tools" - this means no presentations which compare their products with those of other vendors (no comparisons on usability, features, performance etc etc). There are certainly no restrictions on USERS presenting sessions on their use of any vendors products, indeed there are in fact no restrictions on VENDORS themselves presenting sessions on the technicalities of their products.

However, during the abstract selection process, as IDUG is a DB2 conference, various planning committees have been "reluctant" to get too involved in the selection of "tools sessions" when there are many possible presentations on DB2 itself.

As I mentioned, this is being addressed in the conference model for North American IDUG in Tampa (which will hopefully be extended to European IDUG next October) to have a specific "track" available for vendors to do TECHNICAL (i.e. non-marketing) sessions on their products.

I hope that clarifies things a bit more. I guess the moral is "don't write important eMails late at night" and "don't try and simplify explanations to the extent that the meaning of the explanation is changed"

Sorry


Phil Grainger
CA
Product Manager, DB2
Tel: +44 (0)161 928 9334
Fax: +44 (0)161 941 3775
Mobile: +44 (0)7970 125 752
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From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy
Sent: 13 December 2005 22:12
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedule Now Live!


Since you asked...I would like to see technical presentations on the internals of CA products, such as Insight, Rapid Reorg, Merge/Modify, Quick Copy, and so forth. Most of the CA technical presentations I've seen seem to duplicate IBM's effort to cover DB2. Phil Grainger and I had this conversation this morning, and he explained to me that until now, "NO-ONE is allowed to do presentations on PRODUCTS FOR SALE apart from customers (not IBM and not vendors). This was originally to prevent vendors from turning IDUG into a marketing free-for-all". He indicated that this is changing, starting next May in Tampa. I hope I will see a bit more technical depth on CA products than is available in the manuals.

Regards,
Cathy Taddei
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David Seibert

Re: AW: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe r ence Schedul e Now Live!
(in response to BudGreenman@ONGOV.NET)
It's a pretty convoluted literary reference.

Perhaps this explains it:

http://geekhost.info/~gabriela/cowbell.htm
< http://geekhost.info/~gabriela/cowbell.htm >

Max, while you are literally correct, you also might have your horizons
broadened.

Dave


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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:49 AM
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Subject: [DB2-L] AW: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence
Schedul e Now Live!


COWBELL - what is that ?

With kind regards - mit freundlichen Gruessen,
G e o r g H . P e t e r
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Now Live!



Phil,

As a card caring IDUG member, I demand we have more COWBELL!!!

WE NEED MORE COWBELL!!!


Sorry for those who don't get it.

Happy Holidays!!




>>> [login to unmask email] 12/15/05 4:52 AM >>>



OK, in an attempt to send Cathy Taddei a concise reply I inadvertently made
my comments OVERLY concise and (hence) misleading!

What I meant to say is that "NO VENDORS are permitted by IDUG to present
MARKETING presentations on their tools" - this means no presentations which
compare their products with those of other vendors (no comparisons on
usability, features, performance etc etc). There are certainly no
restrictions on USERS presenting sessions on their use of any vendors
products, indeed there are in fact no restrictions on VENDORS themselves
presenting sessions on the technicalities of their products.

However, during the abstract selection process, as IDUG is a DB2 conference,
various planning committees have been "reluctant" to get too involved in the
selection of "tools sessions" when there are many possible presentations on
DB2 itself.

As I mentioned, this is being addressed in the conference model for North
American IDUG in Tampa (which will hopefully be extended to European IDUG
next October) to have a specific "track" available for vendors to do
TECHNICAL (i.e. non-marketing) sessions on their products.

I hope that clarifies things a bit more. I guess the moral is "don't write
important eMails late at night" and "don't try and simplify explanations to
the extent that the meaning of the explanation is changed"

Sorry


Phil Grainger
CA
Product Manager, DB2
Tel: +44 (0)161 928 9334
Fax: +44 (0)161 941 3775
Mobile: +44 (0)7970 125 752
[login to unmask email]




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From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On Behalf
Of Taddei, Cathy
Sent: 13 December 2005 22:12
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedule
Now Live!


Since you asked...I would like to see technical presentations on the
internals of CA products, such as Insight, Rapid Reorg, Merge/Modify, Quick
Copy, and so forth. Most of the CA technical presentations I've seen seem
to duplicate IBM's effort to cover DB2. Phil Grainger and I had this
conversation this morning, and he explained to me that until now, "NO-ONE is
allowed to do presentations on PRODUCTS FOR SALE apart from customers (not
IBM and not vendors). This was originally to prevent vendors from turning
IDUG into a marketing free-for-all". He indicated that this is changing,
starting next May in Tampa. I hope I will see a bit more technical depth on
CA products than is available in the manuals.

Regards,
Cathy Taddei
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(in response to Max Scarpa)
He is referring to a skit on a TV show in the US - Saturday Night Live. The
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COWBELL - what is that ?

With kind regards - mit freundlichen Gruessen,
G e o r g H . P e t e r
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Schedule Now Live!


Phil,

As a card caring IDUG member, I demand we have more COWBELL!!!

WE NEED MORE COWBELL!!!


Sorry for those who don't get it.

Happy Holidays!!




>>> [login to unmask email] 12/15/05 4:52 AM >>>


OK, in an attempt to send Cathy Taddei a concise reply I
inadvertently made my comments OVERLY concise and (hence) misleading!

What I meant to say is that "NO VENDORS are permitted by IDUG to
present MARKETING presentations on their tools" - this means no
presentations which compare their products with those of other
vendors (no comparisons on usability, features, performance etc etc).
There are certainly no restrictions on USERS presenting sessions on
their use of any vendors products, indeed there are in fact no
restrictions on VENDORS themselves presenting sessions on the
technicalities of their products.

However, during the abstract selection process, as IDUG is a DB2
conference, various planning committees have been "reluctant" to get
too involved in the selection of "tools sessions" when there are many
possible presentations on DB2 itself.

As I mentioned, this is being addressed in the conference model for
North American IDUG in Tampa (which will hopefully be extended to
European IDUG next October) to have a specific "track" available for
vendors to do TECHNICAL (i.e. non-marketing) sessions on their
products.

I hope that clarifies things a bit more. I guess the moral is "don't
write important eMails late at night" and "don't try and simplify
explanations to the extent that the meaning of the explanation is
changed"

Sorry



Phil Grainger
CA
Product Manager, DB2
Tel: +44 (0)161 928 9334
Fax: +44 (0)161 941 3775
Mobile: +44 (0)7970 125 752
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From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On
Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy
Sent: 13 December 2005 22:12
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence
Schedule Now Live!

Since you asked...I would like to see technical presentations on the
internals of CA products, such as Insight, Rapid Reorg, Merge/Modify,
Quick Copy, and so forth. Most of the CA technical presentations
I've seen seem to duplicate IBM's effort to cover DB2. Phil Grainger
and I had this conversation this morning, and he explained to me that
until now, "NO-ONE is allowed to do presentations on PRODUCTS FOR
SALE apart from customers (not IBM and not vendors). This was
originally to prevent vendors from turning IDUG into a marketing
free-for-all". He indicated that this is changing, starting next May
in Tampa. I hope I will see a bit more technical depth on CA
products than is available in the manuals.

Regards,
Cathy Taddei
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JOHN KRUGER

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(in response to David Seibert)
Oh Thank you! I had to rush off to a meeting.

Great source and truly funny. It's the best of 'Saturday Night Live'





>>> [login to unmask email] 12/15/05 10:04 AM >>>

It's a pretty convoluted literary reference.

Perhaps this explains it:

http://geekhost.info/~gabriela/cowbell.htm

Max, while you are literally correct, you also might have your horizons broadened.

Dave

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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:49 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: [DB2-L] AW: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedul e Now Live!


COWBELL - what is that ?

With kind regards - mit freundlichen Gruessen,
G e o r g H . P e t e r
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] Im Auftrag von JOHN KRUGER
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2005 16:44
An: [login to unmask email]
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Phil,

As a card caring IDUG member, I demand we have more COWBELL!!!

WE NEED MORE COWBELL!!!


Sorry for those who don't get it.

Happy Holidays!!




>>> [login to unmask email] 12/15/05 4:52 AM >>>




OK, in an attempt to send Cathy Taddei a concise reply I inadvertently made my comments OVERLY concise and (hence) misleading!

What I meant to say is that "NO VENDORS are permitted by IDUG to present MARKETING presentations on their tools" - this means no presentations which compare their products with those of other vendors (no comparisons on usability, features, performance etc etc). There are certainly no restrictions on USERS presenting sessions on their use of any vendors products, indeed there are in fact no restrictions on VENDORS themselves presenting sessions on the technicalities of their products.

However, during the abstract selection process, as IDUG is a DB2 conference, various planning committees have been "reluctant" to get too involved in the selection of "tools sessions" when there are many possible presentations on DB2 itself.

As I mentioned, this is being addressed in the conference model for North American IDUG in Tampa (which will hopefully be extended to European IDUG next October) to have a specific "track" available for vendors to do TECHNICAL (i.e. non-marketing) sessions on their products.

I hope that clarifies things a bit more. I guess the moral is "don't write important eMails late at night" and "don't try and simplify explanations to the extent that the meaning of the explanation is changed"

Sorry


Phil Grainger
CA
Product Manager, DB2
Tel: +44 (0)161 928 9334
Fax: +44 (0)161 941 3775
Mobile: +44 (0)7970 125 752
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From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On Behalf Of Taddei, Cathy
Sent: 13 December 2005 22:12
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] IDUG 2006 - North America: Online Confe rence Schedule Now Live!



Since you asked...I would like to see technical presentations on the internals of CA products, such as Insight, Rapid Reorg, Merge/Modify, Quick Copy, and so forth. Most of the CA technical presentations I've seen seem to duplicate IBM's effort to cover DB2. Phil Grainger and I had this conversation this morning, and he explained to me that until now, "NO-ONE is allowed to do presentations on PRODUCTS FOR SALE apart from customers (not IBM and not vendors). This was originally to prevent vendors from turning IDUG into a marketing free-for-all". He indicated that this is changing, starting next May in Tampa. I hope I will see a bit more technical depth on CA products than is available in the manuals.

Regards,
Cathy Taddei
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