[DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9

Ray Price

[DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
Hi All,

We are running DB2 z/OS version 7, NOT data-sharing. For reasons I can't
divulge, we find ourselves obliged to get to V9 within a year. It's been
suggested that we could skip version 8 by installing a new DB2
sub-system on version 9, and moving the data over. The size of the
database is not all that huge, and we have a large enough window at the
weekend to easily UNLOAD/LOAD it. If we were to take this route, it
would remove the pain of two upgrades. So it sounds attractive.

Has anyone done this?? I guess the fact that we cannot easily fallback
might be a problem, but other than that are there any pitfalls that make
it dangerous?


Thanks.

Regards,
Ray Price
Dresdner Kleinwort
London.




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Ray Price

[DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Cristian Molaro)
Hi All,

We are running DB2 z/OS version 7, NOT data-sharing. For reasons I can't
divulge, we find ourselves obliged to get to V9 within a year. It's been
suggested that we could skip version 8 by installing a new DB2
sub-system on version 9, and moving the data over. The size of the
database is not all that huge, and we have a large enough window at the
weekend to easily UNLOAD/LOAD it. If we were to take this route, it
would remove the pain of two upgrades. So it sounds attractive.

Has anyone done this?? I guess the fact that we cannot easily fallback
might be a problem, but other than that are there any pitfalls that make
it dangerous?


Thanks.

Regards,
Ray Price
Dresdner Kleinwort
London.




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Peter Vanroose

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Ray Price)
> I guess the fact that we cannot easily fallback might be a problem

Indeed, and also the somewhat more cumbersome "do all DDL & DCL", i.e.
you will have to create all objects (in the right order) &
autorizations.
This replication setup should probably be tested out in advance (e.g.
from v7 to v7).

On the other hand there are some interesting advantages:
- This would be a good occasion the reconsider choices like
* non-ALTERable tablespace characteristics (e.g.
segmented/partitioned)
* table normalisation / denormalisation (and views)
* column datatypes (e.g.: CHAR(10) ==> DATE)
- The replication setup could come in useful for later use (e.g. for
disaster recovery).

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Hanne Lyssand

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Peter Vanroose)
If you can get the ekstra diskspace you can make a new copy and test the
migration prossess. It will be more like cloning the system.

We have done what you indend to do in some test systems, from V7 to V8 NFM.
It worked fine. Fallback is a problem an you have to be sure that you dont
forget anything.
(software that you have installed, and whatever)

Hanne

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Avram Friedman

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Hanne Lyssand)
Ray

I think your statement "we cannot easily fallback" is not totally correct, better
is "we cannot fallback using IBM DB2 procedures". You can ofcourse fall back
the same way you fall forward. In addition if you dont distroy your V7
environment you can fall back with in a short window using a log processing
product used by many vendors for durring the reasonable fall pack exposure
period of a couple days. If you want fall back potencial for a longer period
a "data propagation" tool may do the trick.


Now as to other problems there are two basic classes
external to your DB2 instance and internal.
As Zeno suggests in one of his famous paradoxes A object movers in either
the place where it is or the place where it is not becaused combined
everyware is incuded. Its not moving in the place where it is not because it is
not there. Its not moving in the place where it is as it fully fills that place so
there is no room. Therefore nothing can move. One of Zeno's students
produced a proof against the paradox by getting up and leaving the room.

The external issues include any non DB2 process that some how requests DB2
services. The most common failure in this class contain distributed
applications where the drivers might not be compatable.

The internal stuff includes anything that works diffrent between the two
versions like
a) Things that dont work any more as they have been phased out.
b) Things that work diffrent like the sort order for the now UNICODE catalog or
the use of reserved words.
c) Newly enforced restrictions that have 'always been there'

The bigger the delta between the old version and the new version the greater
the exposure.
To the extent they work you should run the premigration qurries for both
versions.

Best Wishes
Avram Friedman

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:30:05 -0000, Price, Ray <[login to unmask email]> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>We are running DB2 z/OS version 7, NOT data-sharing. For reasons I can't
>divulge, we find ourselves obliged to get to V9 within a year. It's been
>suggested that we could skip version 8 by installing a new DB2
>sub-system on version 9, and moving the data over. The size of the
>database is not all that huge, and we have a large enough window at the
>weekend to easily UNLOAD/LOAD it. If we were to take this route, it
>would remove the pain of two upgrades. So it sounds attractive.
>
>Has anyone done this?? I guess the fact that we cannot easily fallback
>might be a problem, but other than that are there any pitfalls that make
>it dangerous?
>
>
>Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>Ray Price
>Dresdner Kleinwort
>London.
>
>
>
>
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Phil Grainger

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Avram Friedman)
Leaving the issue of "money" to one side for now..

You would always use Db2 9 for the applications that MUST be Db2 9 and
leave the rest in DB2 V7 until you have to,e to migrate "properly".

Normally, I wouldn't be too concerned about this sort of "skip
migration", but just thinking of some of Avrams deltas gives me shivers

e.g.

Version 7 data page formats become DB2 9 reordered row format pages -
Shouldn't be an issue, but you never know
Version 7 simple tablespaces become (at least) DB2 9 segmented
tablespaces (or perhaps even partition by growth ones)
Version 7 EBCDIC catalog becomes DB2 9 unicode catalog - another big
change
Version 7 stored procedures (probably DB2 managed) become DB2 9 WLM
managed

The bottom line is, of course it's possible, but there are risks......

I know you can't tell us WHY you have to move so fast, but can you share
why you HAVE to be at DB2 9? What is it that you need in such a hurry??

Phil Grainger
CA
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Subject: [DB2-L] [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9



Hi All,

We are running DB2 z/OS version 7, NOT data-sharing. For reasons I can't
divulge, we find ourselves obliged to get to V9 within a year. It's been
suggested that we could skip version 8 by installing a new DB2
sub-system on version 9, and moving the data over. The size of the
database is not all that huge, and we have a large enough window at the
weekend to easily UNLOAD/LOAD it. If we were to take this route, it
would remove the pain of two upgrades. So it sounds attractive.

Has anyone done this?? I guess the fact that we cannot easily fallback
might be a problem, but other than that are there any pitfalls that make
it dangerous?


Thanks.

Regards,

Ray Price
Dresdner Kleinwort
London.



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Phil Grainger

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Ray Price)
Leaving the issue of "money" to one side for now..

You would always use Db2 9 for the applications that MUST be Db2 9 and
leave the rest in DB2 V7 until you have to,e to migrate "properly".

Normally, I wouldn't be too concerned about this sort of "skip
migration", but just thinking of some of Avrams deltas gives me shivers

e.g.

Version 7 data page formats become DB2 9 reordered row format pages -
Shouldn't be an issue, but you never know
Version 7 simple tablespaces become (at least) DB2 9 segmented
tablespaces (or perhaps even partition by growth ones)
Version 7 EBCDIC catalog becomes DB2 9 unicode catalog - another big
change
Version 7 stored procedures (probably DB2 managed) become DB2 9 WLM
managed

The bottom line is, of course it's possible, but there are risks......

I know you can't tell us WHY you have to move so fast, but can you share
why you HAVE to be at DB2 9? What is it that you need in such a hurry??

Phil Grainger
CA
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Phone: +44 (0)1753 577 733
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Subject: [DB2-L] [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9



Hi All,

We are running DB2 z/OS version 7, NOT data-sharing. For reasons I can't
divulge, we find ourselves obliged to get to V9 within a year. It's been
suggested that we could skip version 8 by installing a new DB2
sub-system on version 9, and moving the data over. The size of the
database is not all that huge, and we have a large enough window at the
weekend to easily UNLOAD/LOAD it. If we were to take this route, it
would remove the pain of two upgrades. So it sounds attractive.

Has anyone done this?? I guess the fact that we cannot easily fallback
might be a problem, but other than that are there any pitfalls that make
it dangerous?


Thanks.

Regards,

Ray Price
Dresdner Kleinwort
London.



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Ray Price

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Mike Bell)
Hi Phil - and others,



Thanks for the replies.



I'm in no great hurry to get to V9, but we have recently moved our
system to the data centre run by our parent company, and they have some
sort of single-version site licences for IBM products. They require all
systems to use their upgrade plans, and V9 in a year is the plan we have
been given. So my choice is two upgrades in succession, or one "direct"
upgrade. Whichever route I take there would need to be careful testing,
but I feel that one year is not enough to do two upgrades.



I hope that makes it clear.



Regards,
Ray Price

Dresdner Kleinwort
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Ray Price

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Phil Grainger)
Hi Phil - and others,



Thanks for the replies.



I'm in no great hurry to get to V9, but we have recently moved our
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I hope that makes it clear.



Regards,
Ray Price

Dresdner Kleinwort
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Phil Grainger

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Ray Price)
I did speak with someone in Australia once who was planning V4-V5-V7-V8 in a year, so these things ARE possible

but ......

Phil G
CA

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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9



Hi Phil - and others,



Thanks for the replies.



I'm in no great hurry to get to V9, but we have recently moved our system to the data centre run by our parent company, and they have some sort of single-version site licences for IBM products. They require all systems to use their upgrade plans, and V9 in a year is the plan we have been given. So my choice is two upgrades in succession, or one "direct" upgrade. Whichever route I take there would need to be careful testing, but I feel that one year is not enough to do two upgrades.



I hope that makes it clear.



Regards,
Ray Price

Dresdner Kleinwort
London.





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Isaac Yassin

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Phil Grainger)
Hi,

I did V4 to V7 direct about two years ago (don't ask why not V8 ...)
A lot of preparation but was done in one night (actually 6 hours)

Isaac Yassin

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I did speak with someone in Australia once who was planning V4-V5-V7-V8 in a year, so these things ARE possible

but ......

Phil G
CA

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Sent: Fri 23/11/2007 15:43
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9



Hi Phil - and others,



Thanks for the replies.



I'm in no great hurry to get to V9, but we have recently moved our system to the data centre run by our parent company, and they
have some sort of single-version site licences for IBM products. They require all systems to use their upgrade plans, and V9 in a
year is the plan we have been given. So my choice is two upgrades in succession, or one "direct" upgrade. Whichever route I take
there would need to be careful testing, but I feel that one year is not enough to do two upgrades.



I hope that makes it clear.



Regards,
Ray Price

Dresdner Kleinwort
London.





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Cristian Molaro

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Isaac Yassin)
Hi Ray,

Could you be able to implement a "replication based" migration?
Sort of creating the objects and copying packages/plans/security and
implement a replication mechanism from the V7 to the V9 subsystem, which you
would keep in synchro.
Launch date would be more like a switch to the target system.

Best regards,
Cristian Molaro
Belgium

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Mike Bell

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Ray Price)
Check the archives and there might be a presentation from IDUG - I remember
seeing a set of REXX? or something that people used to move data from one
(NOT datasharing) DB2 to another data sharing complex. The process is
1. bring up new subsystem
2. create all the application tables you are going move to the new subsystem
3. stop the tables on the source subsystem
4. DSN1COPY from old DB2 to new DB2
5. startup on the new subsystem

The title I remember was something about migrating to data-sharing in bulk.
I have done the process manually where I was migrating several hundred
tables and their indexes. It only took a couple of days to build the
DSN1COPY JCL.

Things to be carefull about
In a normal migration, IBM will let you keep the old DB2 up without
additional licensing fees for a year after you order the new version.
If you have ever made any table changes with ALTER, run REORG on the source
DB2 before you start the process.

Mike
HLS Technologies



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Hi All,

We are running DB2 z/OS version 7, NOT data-sharing. For reasons I can’t
divulge, we find ourselves obliged to get to V9 within a year. It’s been
suggested that we could skip version 8 by installing a new DB2 sub-system on
version 9, and moving the data over. The size of the database is not all
that huge, and we have a large enough window at the weekend to easily
UNLOAD/LOAD it. If we were to take this route, it would remove the pain of
two upgrades. So it sounds attractive.

Has anyone done this?? I guess the fact that we cannot easily fallback might
be a problem, but other than that are there any pitfalls that make it
dangerous?


Thanks.

Regards,

Ray Price
Dresdner Kleinwort
London.


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Maja Markotic

Re: [DB2 z/OS] - Upgrade from V7 to V9
(in response to Phil Grainger)

Hi Ray,

You might want to take a look at this:
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/data/services/db-brochure-dmt.pdf

I have never used that tool, but I stumbled over this today ("Use the Data
Mover Tool if you urgently need to upgrade an unsuported version of DB2 (V7
or V8)...") and I remembered your question.

HTH, Maja





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I'm in no great hurry to get to V9, but we have recently moved our system
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single-version site licences for IBM products. They require all systems to
use their upgrade plans, and V9 in a year is the plan we have been given So
my choice is two upgrades in succession, or one "direct" upgrade. Whichever
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Regards,
Ray Price

Dresdner Kleinwort
London.





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