[DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!

Philip Sevetson

[DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
Ah, reminiscences. Is this OT? Anyway, I was introduced to mainframes when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac machine), an Altair 4400 microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first touch-sensitive screens... Teletype Corporation Terminals, and brand-new IBM Selectrics

When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the '80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.

--Phil Sevetson
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punch cards, mass storage, reel tapes with immense tape drives,plastic read/ write rings, db2 v1 remember then well.
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You don't have to be that old to remember them, you cheeky whipper-snapper. And the phrase is still, with minor modifications, still useful. Whenever I see (saw?) some numpty Developer doing something daft I'd mutter to myself, 'That mind unintentionally left blank'.

Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


Raymond


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Ah yes i remember those or maybe someone older told me about them. :)

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Andy Lankester

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Philip Sevetson)
088 sorters surely?

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Impact printers, decollators, bursters and 082 sorters.



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Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Andy Lankester)
I still carry few punch cards in my shirt pocket, for quick notes...
In '70-ies I worked in "TAB" room, sorting, merging, and interpreting them.
"Programming" meant being able to wire boards in such a way to get desired result.

Ivan



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Ah, reminiscences.  Is this OT?  Anyway, I was introduced to mainframes when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac machine), an Altair 4400 microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first touch-sensitive screens... Teletype Corporation Terminals, and brand-new IBM Selectrics

When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the '80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.

--Phil Sevetson
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punch cards, mass storage, reel tapes with immense tape drives,plastic read/ write rings, db2 v1 remember then well.
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You don't have to be that old to remember them, you cheeky whipper-snapper.  And the phrase is still, with minor modifications, still useful.  Whenever I see (saw?) some numpty Developer doing something daft I'd mutter to myself, 'That mind unintentionally left blank'.

Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


Raymond


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Ah yes i remember those or maybe someone older told me about them. :)

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Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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Yes and I'll never forget the old guy who was showing me the ropes on that
082 sorter. He suggested that sometimes it wouldn't read the cards right
and so you might want to run them through a second time. I never knew if
he was serious or pulling my leg.

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Susan A Allen

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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MICR encoding machines (I ran one for a while in the early 70's)

NCR tapes,

Bad old dirty days. . . Paper dust every where

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You don't have to be that old to remember them, you cheeky
whipper-snapper.
And the phrase is still, with minor modifications, still useful.
Whenever
I see (saw?) some numpty Developer doing something daft I'd mutter to
myself, 'That mind unintentionally left blank'.

Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


Raymond

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Ah yes i remember those or maybe someone older told me about them. :)



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Aaah! 'Soggy with nostalgia' as Tom Lehrer aptly put it..

Andy

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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!

I still carry few punch cards in my shirt pocket, for quick notes...
In '70-ies I worked in "TAB" room, sorting, merging, and interpreting them.
"Programming" meant being able to wire boards in such a way to get desired result.

Ivan



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Ah, reminiscences.  Is this OT?  Anyway, I was introduced to mainframes when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac machine), an Altair 4400 microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first touch-sensitive screens... Teletype Corporation Terminals, and brand-new IBM Selectrics

When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the '80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.

--Phil Sevetson
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Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


Raymond


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... and don't forget the punched chads that came back in revenge to nearly halt the US electoral process by hanging around!

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MICR encoding machines (I ran one for a while in the early 70's)

NCR tapes,

Bad old dirty days. . . Paper dust every where

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You don't have to be that old to remember them, you cheeky whipper-snapper.
And the phrase is still, with minor modifications, still useful.
Whenever
I see (saw?) some numpty Developer doing something daft I'd mutter to myself, 'That mind unintentionally left blank'.

Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


Raymond

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Ah yes i remember those or maybe someone older told me about them. :)



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Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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changing ribbons on impact printers, writing out labels for reel tapes
when they came off drive. cleaning the drives with a cloth and a bottle of
cleaning fluid



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"Programming" meant being able to wire boards in such a way to get desired
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Ivan



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Ah, reminiscences. Is this OT? Anyway, I was introduced to mainframes
when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked like a
power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the axis of
rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half feet high,
by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control Program and
mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and compilers stored on
punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac machine), an Altair 4400
microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by flipping switches... Control
Data Corporation and the first touch-sensitive screens... Teletype
Corporation Terminals, and brand-new IBM Selectrics

When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the '80s),
there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM Unit-Record
equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.

--Phil Sevetson
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useful. Whenever I see (saw?) some numpty Developer doing something daft
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Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


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Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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Disk packs (2311) that you put in your desk drawer.

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Impact printers causing accordion-tears in the multipart continuous form invoices, solid black bars composed of hundreds of lines of print overlaid... Learning how to REALLY swear from the operators that had to clean up after major print jams, or recover after head crashes...

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I still carry few punch cards in my shirt pocket, for quick notes...
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"Programming" meant being able to wire boards in such a way to get desired result.

Ivan



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Ah, reminiscences. Is this OT? Anyway, I was introduced to mainframes when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac machine), an Altair 4400 microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first touch-sensitive screens... Teletype Corporation Terminals, and brand-new IBM Selectrics

When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the '80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.

--Phil Sevetson
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Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


Raymond


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Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Philip Sevetson)
650, 1401, 026, 029, 2301, 2311, 2321, ramac, autocoder, rpg, cos, tos, dos


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> MICR encoding machines (I ran one for a while in the early 70's)
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> NCR tapes,
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> Bad old dirty days. . . Paper dust every where
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> Impact printers, decollators, bursters and 082 sorters.
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machines to separate the carbon paper from those muti-page reports.

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Chris Hoelscher

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Jeff Frazier)
what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?) keypunch
machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at the Ohio State
football games


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Carol Anne Sutfin

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Jeff,

That's a decollator.

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Hi everyone.
When I followed the link in the original email I got to the "This page left intentionally left blank" project.
I must have missed something.
The above project reminds me of my second most favorite Jimmy Buffet song "If the phone doesn't ring, its me".


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Victor Bond

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Wow! You had a machine to do that. Fancy!. At the bank I worked at they
made the operators do that by hand in their spare time.
By the way, we had a Burroughs B200 with a huge 4K of memory.

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machines to separate the carbon paper from those muti-page reports.
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Philip Sevetson

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Victor Bond)
IBM 029 Card Punch (see this for a picture:
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/029.html )
IBM 129 Key Punch "Card Data Recorder"

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what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?) keypunch
machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at the Ohio
State football games


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Robert Lawrence

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Philip Sevetson)
A manual key punch machine one card at a time punch the zone punch and punch
1 - 9 also MUD MAGNUM(?) to show the bits on the mag tapes used by the
field engineer to check alignments



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Kirk Hampton

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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Well, I don't go back as far in equipment as some of my elders here,
but I'm no young whippersnapper either. My favorite DB2 anecdote is
about the client (we called them end-users back in those days) who
wanted to share with his co-workers a nifty little database
application he had conjured up on his PC/AT using Dbase III. But he
didn't want it re-written to use DB2 on the mainframe, because going
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Disk packs (2311) that you put in your desk drawer.

Willie

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Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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Phil,

Do you remember teaching the old 1403 impact printers to play music?
We built a card deck that made it play "Anchors Away".

Willie

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William Favero

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Chris Hoelscher)
They were called decolators (sp??) and bursting machines... Decolators
removed the carbon from multi part forms and bursting machines
separating the printer output on the perforations.

My second job in DP (not IT back then) was working as a control clerk on
he midnight shift for a banking service bureau. I would take all the
stuff printed on the old 1403's, remove the carbon and separate the
pages. If they were things like mortgage payment forms, and you tore
one, you would think the world ended. Reprinting wasn't that easy and
there was no such thing as spooling...

Work all night and go to school all day.. wow.. I can barely make it
to the late news now.. LOL

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Susan A Allen

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Robert Lawrence)
In the early 60's there was an earthquake in the Seattle area

The reels to tape were chest high in the data center - a lot of information history started over the next day

(tale my father told me as I was in Junior high at the time) - I think the Data Vault might have been an extremely scary place to be as the reels ejected from the shelves and coils of tape filled the air.


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Impact printers causing accordion-tears in the multipart continuous form invoices, solid black bars composed of hundreds of lines of print overlaid... Learning how to REALLY swear from the operators that had to clean up after major print jams, or recover after head crashes...

--Phil Sevetson, NYCAPS DBA Support
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changing ribbons on impact printers, writing out labels for reel tapes when they came off drive. cleaning the drives with a cloth and a bottle of cleaning fluid

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I still carry few punch cards in my shirt pocket, for quick notes...
In '70-ies I worked in "TAB" room, sorting, merging, and interpreting them.
"Programming" meant being able to wire boards in such a way to get desired result.

Ivan



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Ah, reminiscences.  Is this OT?  Anyway, I was introduced to mainframes when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac machine), an Altair 4400 microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first touch-sensitive screens... Teletype Corporation Terminals, and brand-new IBM Selectrics

When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the '80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.

--Phil Sevetson
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punch cards, mass storage, reel tapes with immense tape drives,plastic read/ write rings, db2 v1 remember then well.
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You don't have to be that old to remember them, you cheeky whipper-snapper.  And the phrase is still, with minor modifications, still useful.  Whenever I see (saw?) some numpty Developer doing something daft I'd mutter to myself, 'That mind unintentionally left blank'.

Hell, it's Friday, and it's been awhile.

Laters,


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Ah yes i remember those or maybe someone older told me about them. :)

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Susan A Allen

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to dj53tx-udb@YAHOO.COM)
those punch "chads" got every where -- like glitter -- probably killed a
number of vacuums


Susan



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what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?) keypunch
machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at the Ohio
State football games


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Nick Cianci

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to William Favero)
Thanks Richard!

I had a quick read, and have to say "What an amazing person".

On a different note I have to say I'm happy to see the back of Fortran though! ... give me Z80 Assembler any day of the week!

When I was at Uni we mainly had Dec VAX's (I just missed out on the joy of punch cards). However we did get a Burroughs 6800 to do some Cobol projects on. I remember it had a scripting language called WFL (which we all called woeful). It took for ever to do anything, and that was if it didn't fall over.

I have to say whilst reminiscing that it's "good" that Unix & Vi don't seem to have changed a bit in over 25 years!


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Mark Vickers

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Susan A Allen)
Writing programs on coding sheets (not even a green screen),
waiting up to a day to get it back from the punch operators,
taking another day to get a clean compile and then
dropping your punch card deck on the way back from the computer room.

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Chris Hoelscher

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Mark Vickers)
ahh yes - the decolator and the burster - the two fun toys from my days as
computer operator / report distriution clerk

anyone else remember the pink fuzzy sheets we fed through the impact
printer to clean the ink off the train


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That's a decollator.



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Philip Sevetson

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Chris Hoelscher)
Sorry, Willie, when they were running 1403s I was still a Burroughs
computer user. I didn't get to IBM until 1982, and then it was as an
actuarial analyst/intern. The beginning of ISPF was around then,
though... it was a cool new product that everybody thought was _much_
easier to use than basic TSO.

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Phil,

Do you remember teaching the old 1403 impact printers to play music?
We built a card deck that made it play "Anchors Away".

Willie

Sevetson, Phil wrote:
> Impact printers causing accordion-tears in the multipart continuous
form invoices, solid black bars composed of hundreds of lines of print
overlaid... Learning how to REALLY swear from the operators that had to
clean up after major print jams, or recover after head crashes...
>
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> changing ribbons on impact printers, writing out labels for reel tapes
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> In '70-ies I worked in "TAB" room, sorting, merging, and interpreting
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> Ah, reminiscences. Is this OT? Anyway, I was introduced to
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like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the
axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half
feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control
Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and
compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac
machine), an Altair 4400 microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by
flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first
touch-sensitive screens... Teletype Corporation Terminals, and brand-new
IBM Selectrics
>
> When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the
'80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM
Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.
>
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We had several card decks that played Christmas Carols at International
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Phil,

Do you remember teaching the old 1403 impact printers to play music?
We built a card deck that made it play "Anchors Away".

Willie

Sevetson, Phil wrote:
> Impact printers causing accordion-tears in the multipart continuous form
invoices, solid black bars composed of hundreds of lines of print
overlaid... Learning how to REALLY swear from the operators that had to
clean up after major print jams, or recover after head crashes...
>
> --Phil Sevetson, NYCAPS DBA Support
> Financial Information Services Agency of The City of New York
> 450 West 33rd Street, 4th Floor
> New York, NY 10001
> phone: (212) 857-1688
> mailto: [login to unmask email]
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>
>
> changing ribbons on impact printers, writing out labels for reel tapes
when they came off drive. cleaning the drives with a cloth and a bottle of
cleaning fluid
>
> "Krnic, Ivan B." <[login to unmask email]>
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>
>
>
>
> I still carry few punch cards in my shirt pocket, for quick notes...
> In '70-ies I worked in "TAB" room, sorting, merging, and interpreting
them.
> "Programming" meant being able to wire boards in such a way to get
desired result.
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
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>
> Ah, reminiscences. Is this OT? Anyway, I was introduced to mainframes
when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked like a
power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the axis of
rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half feet high,
by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control Program and
mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and compilers stored on
punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac machine), an Altair 4400
microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by flipping switches... Control
Data Corporation and the first touch-sensitive screens... Teletype
Corporation Terminals, and brand-new IBM Selectrics
>
> When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the
'80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM
Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.
>
> --Phil Sevetson
> ________________________________________
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>
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Mark Vickers

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Carol Anne Sutfin)
Writing programs on coding sheets (not even a green screen). 1
to n days
Send to punch room and wait for them. 1
day
Clean compile. 0
to 2 days.
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Ford Wong

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Mark Vickers)
Hello,

Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

I'm passing this wish early as I start my Christmas Vacation tomorrow and will try to get away from the internet and reading emails!

A blast from the past. I remember "ROSCOE" (Remote Operating System COmmunications Environment), which was there before TSO. I am one of the few dinosaurs who still think that FORTRANG rocks. It was a silly language which generated mega dumps to your screen if your declarations were wrong, etc. Good for a trick on new programmers!

Cheers,

Ford

P.S. Pass the gravy...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cianci, Nick" <[login to unmask email]>
Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
To: [login to unmask email]

> Thanks Richard!
>
> I had a quick read, and have to say "What an amazing person".
>
> On a different note I have to say I'm happy to see the back of
> Fortran though! ... give me Z80 Assembler any day of the
> week!
>
> When I was at Uni we mainly had Dec VAX's (I just missed out on
> the joy of punch cards). However we did get a Burroughs
> 6800 to do some Cobol projects on. I remember it had a
> scripting language called WFL (which we all called woeful). It
> took for ever to do anything, and that was if it didn't fall over.
>
> I have to say whilst reminiscing that it's "good" that Unix & Vi
> don't seem to have changed a bit in over 25 years!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick CIANCI
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> > My #1 Hero of all time: Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
> >
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Michael Bruzdzinski

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Ford Wong)
Wow!

I read the Burroughs stuff with fond remembrances of CANDE and WFL.

I cut my teeth on a Burroughs B6700 (DMSII ?) and CDC3500 (LISA - Linked
Index Sequential Access) then moved up to a UNIVAC/SPERRY running
DMS1100 using ECL!


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Jeff,

That's a decollator.

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Richard Humphris

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Michael Bruzdzinski)
I wrote code to support a 1442 card punch on a VM/370 system that didn't
support it (in the very early 80's). Wasn't much of a change I admit, I
had to change the virtual ccw's from '41' to '81' during ccw translation
before the system did the real SIO's to the device.

I've also instruction step'd a machine during IPL to fix a problem when
IPL'ing from tape. In this case we had a new data center with a bare
machine we were installing VM/370 on and we needed to read the nucleus
from tape to get it loaded on dasd. But the (IBM) bootstrap code
starting doing a TIO (test i/o) instruction before doing the next SIO
(start i/o instruction) to the tape drive. Due to bad cables
(discovered later) the TIO always returned a "device busy" status and
the tape IPL went into a infinite loop. I nop'd the branch instruction
after the TIO and was able to get our nucleus loaded to dasd from the
tape drive... so we could get the VM/370 system up. By the way, the IBM
standalone diagnostics didn't find any problems (those diagnostics must
never have issued a TIO instruction).

Richard Humphris


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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for
the older mainframe listers!

In the early 60's there was an earthquake in the Seattle area

The reels to tape were chest high in the data center - a lot of
information history started over the next day

(tale my father told me as I was in Junior high at the time) - I think
the Data Vault might have been an extremely scary place to be as the
reels ejected from the shelves and coils of tape filled the air.


Susan



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Michael Ebert

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Richard Humphris)
This is starting to sound like an MVS list a couple of years ago:

"Do you remember the days when disks were drums?" - "Yeah, those were the
days when I programmed the onboard computer of the lunar lander..."

Pretty morbid :-))

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Joel Goldstein

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Michael Ebert)
How about Fortran II on a 1401?

Love Fortran - that was my first programming language !!!

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:28 PM
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Hello,

Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

I'm passing this wish early as I start my Christmas Vacation tomorrow and will try to get away from the internet and reading emails!

A blast from the past. I remember "ROSCOE" (Remote Operating System COmmunications Environment), which was there before TSO. I am one of the few dinosaurs who still think that FORTRANG rocks. It was a silly language which generated mega dumps to your screen if your declarations were wrong, etc. Good for a trick on new programmers!

Cheers,

Ford

P.S. Pass the gravy...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cianci, Nick" <[login to unmask email]>
Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
To: [login to unmask email]

> Thanks Richard!
>
> I had a quick read, and have to say "What an amazing person".
>
> On a different note I have to say I'm happy to see the back of
> Fortran though! ... give me Z80 Assembler any day of the
> week!
>
> When I was at Uni we mainly had Dec VAX's (I just missed out on
> the joy of punch cards). However we did get a Burroughs
> 6800 to do some Cobol projects on. I remember it had a
> scripting language called WFL (which we all called woeful). It
> took for ever to do anything, and that was if it didn't fall over.
>
> I have to say whilst reminiscing that it's "good" that Unix & Vi
> don't seem to have changed a bit in over 25 years!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick CIANCI
> Infrastructure Specialist - DB2 DBA | EDS Australia |
> Level 2 Allara House, 48-52 Allara St, Canberra, ACT 2601 |
> t: +61-2-6275-5863 | f: +61-2-6275-6064 | e:
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> > Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2007 7:19 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the
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> >
> > If you're going into the Way-Back Machine, you might as well
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> >
> > My #1 Hero of all time: Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
> >
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Paul Gyau

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Joel Goldstein)
What about Algol 68?

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How about Fortran II on a 1401?

Love Fortran - that was my first programming language !!!

Joel Goldstein
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older mainframe listers!

Hello,

Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New
Year.

I'm passing this wish early as I start my Christmas Vacation
tomorrow and will try to get away from the internet and reading emails!

A blast from the past. I remember "ROSCOE" (Remote Operating
System COmmunications Environment), which was there before TSO. I am
one of the few dinosaurs who still think that FORTRANG rocks. It was a
silly language which generated mega dumps to your screen if your
declarations were wrong, etc. Good for a trick on new programmers!

Cheers,

Ford

P.S. Pass the gravy...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cianci, Nick" <[login to unmask email]>
Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the
older mainframe listers!
To: [login to unmask email]

> Thanks Richard!
>
> I had a quick read, and have to say "What an amazing person".
>
> On a different note I have to say I'm happy to see the back of

> Fortran though! ... give me Z80 Assembler any day of the
> week!
>
> When I was at Uni we mainly had Dec VAX's (I just missed out
on
> the joy of punch cards). However we did get a Burroughs
> 6800 to do some Cobol projects on. I remember it had a
> scripting language called WFL (which we all called woeful). It

> took for ever to do anything, and that was if it didn't fall
over.
>
> I have to say whilst reminiscing that it's "good" that Unix &
Vi
> don't seem to have changed a bit in over 25 years!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick CIANCI
> Infrastructure Specialist - DB2 DBA | EDS Australia |
> Level 2 Allara House, 48-52 Allara St, Canberra, ACT 2601 |
> t: +61-2-6275-5863 | f: +61-2-6275-6064 | e:
> [login to unmask email] |
>
> IBM Certified Solutions Expert
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>
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> > Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2007 7:19 AM
> > To: [login to unmask email]
> > Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for
the
> older mainframe listers!
> >
> > If you're going into the Way-Back Machine, you might as well

> go back to the beginning.
> >
> > My #1 Hero of all time: Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Philip Sevetson

FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Paul Gyau)
I was in computer school in 1977-1979 - she spoke at our school twice, I've no idea how our teachers got the pull to bring her over - maybe a family friend? I picked up "nanoseconds" both times, though one time she was short on them so I handed mine on to someone else who was newer in the program. Small, old, feisty, interesting - she had good tales about writing software so three microcomputers talked to each other, one of which was convinced that the other two were I/O devices... and about using COBOL to get directions in a Japanese computer company.

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From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On Behalf Of Cianci, Nick
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
Importance: Low

Thanks Richard!
I had a quick read, and have to say "What an amazing person".
On a different note I have to say I'm happy to see the back of Fortran though! ... give me Z80 Assembler any day of the week!
When I was at Uni we mainly had Dec VAX's (I just missed out on the joy of punch cards). However we did get a Burroughs 6800 to do some Cobol projects on. I remember it had a scripting language called WFL (which we all called woeful). It took for ever to do anything, and that was if it didn't fall over.
I have to say whilst reminiscing that it's "good" that Unix & Vi don't seem to have changed a bit in over 25 years!

Regards,
Nick CIANCI
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Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2007 7:19 AM
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If you're going into the Way-Back Machine, you might as well go back to the beginning.
My #1 Hero of all time: Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper
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Mark Finnell

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Philip Sevetson)
We still have ROSCOE (now owned by CA) at our shop, although we are
looking to be off it entirely in early '09.

I remember in college using a DEC VAX which was at a remote location (my
alma mater couldn't afford a computer of their own). It was a dial up
connection and you had to seat the phone handset in a coupler. If you
didn't have it just right you got gibberish all over the screen. I got
lots of gibberish.

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From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On
Behalf Of Ford Wong
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 12:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
mainframe listers!


Hello,

Just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

I'm passing this wish early as I start my Christmas Vacation tomorrow
and will try to get away from the internet and reading emails!

A blast from the past. I remember "ROSCOE" (Remote Operating System
COmmunications Environment), which was there before TSO. I am one of
the few dinosaurs who still think that FORTRANG rocks. It was a silly
language which generated mega dumps to your screen if your declarations
were wrong, etc. Good for a trick on new programmers!

Cheers,

Ford

P.S. Pass the gravy...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cianci, Nick" <[login to unmask email]>
Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:23 am
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
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> Thanks Richard!
>
> I had a quick read, and have to say "What an amazing person".
>
> On a different note I have to say I'm happy to see the back of
> Fortran though! ... give me Z80 Assembler any day of the
> week!
>
> When I was at Uni we mainly had Dec VAX's (I just missed out on
> the joy of punch cards). However we did get a Burroughs
> 6800 to do some Cobol projects on. I remember it had a
> scripting language called WFL (which we all called woeful). It
> took for ever to do anything, and that was if it didn't fall over.
>
> I have to say whilst reminiscing that it's "good" that Unix & Vi
> don't seem to have changed a bit in over 25 years!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick CIANCI
> Infrastructure Specialist - DB2 DBA | EDS Australia |
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> > If you're going into the Way-Back Machine, you might as well
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> >
> > My #1 Hero of all time: Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
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Joel Goldstein

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Mark Finnell)
Yes, remember those.

Was at one place where they would run a program in an early 360 that would
play music on a transistor radio (remember those?) placed on top of the cpu.

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> We had several card decks that played Christmas Carols at International
> Harvester back in the 60's and 70's.
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Raymond Bell

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Joel Goldstein)
OK, I'll bite; what's your favourite Jimmy Buffet song? I like, 'Why
Don't We Get Drunk?'. Actually I just like the title; not actually
heard it.

Oh, and I also remember my early days as a COBOL programmer on a FACOM
box (so not so old, but it was paid employment) having to code on green
layout sheets - in pencil, in case you made a mistake - then getting
them checked by the Senior Programmer before arranging a time to use one
of 3 terminals (shared between 8 people) to type it in. What fun.

Cheers,


Raymond
PS. Andy, see what you started?

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Sent: 14 December 2007 21:22
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for
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Hi everyone.
When I followed the link in the original email I got to the "This page
left intentionally left blank" project.
I must have missed something.
The above project reminds me of my second most favorite Jimmy Buffet
song "If the phone doesn't ring, its me".


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Adam Baldwin

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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Green layout sheets and pencils eh Raymond? Luxury! I can remember getting
up before I went to bed in order to dig the coal for the furnace on the
Analytical Engine....

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Martin Flavell

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Adam Baldwin)
Back in my operator days, we used to run an annual stocktake in the factory. We punched about 10,000 cards, which were then sent to the factory. People would take each card, count the no. of parts and write it back on the card. These then went back to the punch room to have the values punched on the cards. I then had the job of feeding the 10,000 cards (by now grubby, frayed, bent, dirty) back into the card reader. It used to take all night just to get the job read onto the machine.
    
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Ivan B. Krnic

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Martin Flavell)
TSO, ISPF ?!

During my early days I had to rely on hard copy console output hoping
paper didn't jam,
and of course, the infamous 2540 card-reader. If it was down, there was
no "run" that day.
We flew the I.T. flag on half-staff...

Ivan



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Behalf Of Sevetson, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for
the older mainframe listers!

Sorry, Willie, when they were running 1403s I was still a Burroughs
computer user. I didn't get to IBM until 1982, and then it was as an
actuarial analyst/intern. The beginning of ISPF was around then,
though... it was a cool new product that everybody thought was _much_
easier to use than basic TSO.

--Phil Sevetson, NYCAPS DBA Support
Financial Information Services Agency of The City of New York
450 West 33rd Street, 4th Floor
New York, NY 10001
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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Willie Favero
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for
the older mainframe listers!

Phil,

Do you remember teaching the old 1403 impact printers to play music?
We built a card deck that made it play "Anchors Away".

Willie

Sevetson, Phil wrote:
> Impact printers causing accordion-tears in the multipart continuous
form invoices, solid black bars composed of hundreds of lines of print
overlaid... Learning how to REALLY swear from the operators that had to
clean up after major print jams, or recover after head crashes...
>
> --Phil Sevetson, NYCAPS DBA Support
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>
> changing ribbons on impact printers, writing out labels for reel tapes
when they came off drive. cleaning the drives with a cloth and a bottle
of cleaning fluid
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> I still carry few punch cards in my shirt pocket, for quick notes...
> In '70-ies I worked in "TAB" room, sorting, merging, and interpreting
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> "Programming" meant being able to wire boards in such a way to get
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> -----Original Message-----
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>
> Ah, reminiscences. Is this OT? Anyway, I was introduced to
mainframes when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked
like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the
axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half
feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control
Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and
compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac
machine), an Altair 4400 microcomputer with 4K that we programmed by
flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first
touch-sensitive screens... Teletype Corporation Terminals, and brand-new
IBM Selectrics
>
> When I worked at Travelers Insurance, the first time around (in the
'80s), there was a part of the payroll system that still ran on IBM
Unit-Record equipment; tabulators and collators and program boards.
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> --Phil Sevetson
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> punch cards, mass storage, reel tapes with immense tape drives,plastic
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Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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No, that's a new one on me...
Speaking of 1403, I lost many a neck ties to its ferocious appetite.

Ivan



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Phil,

Do you remember teaching the old 1403 impact printers to play music?
We built a card deck that made it play "Anchors Away".

Willie

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> changing ribbons on impact printers, writing out labels for reel tapes
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> I still carry few punch cards in my shirt pocket, for quick notes...
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> Ah, reminiscences. Is this OT? Anyway, I was introduced to
mainframes when Univac had this huge "drum" storage unit, which looked
like a power-storage flywheel - the unit was at least six feet along the
axis of rotation, the cabinet at least ten feet long and six-and-a-half
feet high, by probably four feet front to back; Burroughs Master Control
Program and mainframes with 128K of storage, operating systems and
compilers stored on punch cards (not the Burroughs, an older Univac
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flipping switches... Control Data Corporation and the first
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Ivan B. Krnic

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Ivan B. Krnic)
This is where the sequence numbers on the right could save you.

That, and a friend working in TAB room, operating sorter...





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Writing programs on coding sheets (not even a green screen).
1 to n days
Send to punch room and wait for them.
1 day
Clean compile.
0 to 2 days.
Dropping the whole deck on your way back from the computer room.
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Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
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A proof that Murphy was alive and well...



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I wrote code to support a 1442 card punch on a VM/370 system that didn't
support it (in the very early 80's). Wasn't much of a change I admit, I
had to change the virtual ccw's from '41' to '81' during ccw translation
before the system did the real SIO's to the device.

I've also instruction step'd a machine during IPL to fix a problem when
IPL'ing from tape. In this case we had a new data center with a bare
machine we were installing VM/370 on and we needed to read the nucleus
from tape to get it loaded on dasd. But the (IBM) bootstrap code
starting doing a TIO (test i/o) instruction before doing the next SIO
(start i/o instruction) to the tape drive. Due to bad cables
(discovered later) the TIO always returned a "device busy" status and
the tape IPL went into a infinite loop. I nop'd the branch instruction
after the TIO and was able to get our nucleus loaded to dasd from the
tape drive... so we could get the VM/370 system up. By the way, the IBM
standalone diagnostics didn't find any problems (those diagnostics must
never have issued a TIO instruction).

Richard Humphris


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In the early 60's there was an earthquake in the Seattle area

The reels to tape were chest high in the data center - a lot of
information history started over the next day

(tale my father told me as I was in Junior high at the time) - I think
the Data Vault might have been an extremely scary place to be as the
reels ejected from the shelves and coils of tape filled the air.


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Hugh Lapham

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Ivan B. Krnic)
It's scary, realizing that all those "ordinary" memories are no longer so ordinary ...
Honeywell 200 ... coding sheets off to a service bureau (1 week turn/round) ... programs run at another bureau ... the current production machine was pure cards ... overlay programming involved running the blue cards through, then the red, then the blue again, ...
Elliot 903 ... load bootstrap via switches ... load compiler/interpreter from paper tape ... line-up of students with assignment programs ... it was fun switching the in-memory pointers to the add/subtract routines and watching the next person in line try to figure out why their FOR loop wouldn't work!
Speaking of paper tape, did everyone put the chads back and then overpunch to fix typos rather than copy the whole program?
KDF9 ... reading/writing a tape drive that was actually the computer controlling a bank of 16(?) terminals ... as I recall, we would program "0; DUP; =m0m0hn;" that would zero memory bottom to top and then wrap around and never end because it pipelined.
DCF calculations ... go to basement, access teletype connected to PDP in London, to transatlantic cable, to PDP in New York, to some "big" computer in Texas ... response time better than the web is today ;-))




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Edward Long

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Hugh Lapham)
Banana Republic's (cowrote with Steve Goodman).

"Bell, Raymond" <[login to unmask email]> wrote:

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} OK, I’ll bite; what’s your favourite Jimmy Buffet song? I like, ‘Why Don’t We Get Drunk?’. Actually I just like the title; not actually heard it.

Oh, and I also remember my early days as a COBOL programmer on a FACOM box (so not so old, but it was paid employment) having to code on green layout sheets – in pencil, in case you made a mistake – then getting them checked by the Senior Programmer before arranging a time to use one of 3 terminals (shared between 8 people) to type it in. What fun.

Cheers,


Raymond
PS. Andy, see what you started?


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Hi everyone.

When I followed the link in the original email I got to the "This page left intentionally left blank" project.

I must have missed something.

The above project reminds me of my second most favorite Jimmy Buffet song "If the phone doesn't ring, its me".




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Jeff Jackson

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Edward Long)
I've always had a soft spot for "A Pirate Looks at 40" - especially a
live version from the "Fingers" Taylor days. However in my case I'm
looking at it in the rear view mirror and it is getting farther and
farther away!


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Banana Republic's (cowrote with Steve Goodman).

"Bell, Raymond" <[login to unmask email]> wrote:

OK, I'll bite; what's your favourite Jimmy Buffet song?
I like, 'Why Don't We Get Drunk?'. Actually I just like the title; not
actually heard it.

Oh, and I also remember my early days as a COBOL
programmer on a FACOM box (so not so old, but it was paid employment)
having to code on green layout sheets - in pencil, in case you made a
mistake - then getting them checked by the Senior Programmer before
arranging a time to use one of 3 terminals (shared between 8 people) to
type it in. What fun.

Cheers,


Raymond
PS. Andy, see what you started?


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Hi everyone.
When I followed the link in the original email I got to
the "This page left intentionally left blank" project.
I must have missed something.
The above project reminds me of my second most favorite
Jimmy Buffet song "If the phone doesn't ring, its me".


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Ivan B. Krnic

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Jeff Jackson)
I asked a newly hired programmer once to check the "bit bucket".

He went over to 2540, and opened the door on the punch side...



Ivan





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those punch "chads" got every where -- like glitter -- probably killed a
number of vacuums





Susan







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what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?) keypunch
machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at the Ohio
State football games


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Dean J. Burchill

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Ivan B. Krnic)
I remember back in 1970 in the 10th grade when I was teaching myself basic
(the one with two character limit for variable names), we had a teletype
terminal with that orange or yellow tape that would punch holes (eight
wide max) if you wanted to save something 'off-line.' All of us computer
geeks would try to be the first one to get the round 'chads' so that we
could use them for the football games.

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Bruce Lightsey

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Dean J. Burchill)
I remember loading a "Star Trek" game from paper tape via a reader on the
teletype ( IBM ball-type ), disabling the bell, and hoping we got to play
a few minutes before a teacher came by - this was in high school in about
1973 and we were connected to a local university's S360.

Also remember dropping a COBOL deck - about a full box plus a few cards -
and watching the wind scatter them far and wide. Grew to love input
terminals and editor programs that week !





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It's scary, realizing that all those "ordinary" memories are no longer so
ordinary ...
Honeywell 200 ... coding sheets off to a service bureau (1 week
turn/round) ... programs run at another bureau ... the current
production machine was pure cards ... overlay programming involved
running the blue cards through, then the red, then the blue again,
...
Elliot 903 ... load bootstrap via switches ... load
compiler/interpreter from paper tape ... line-up of students with
assignment programs ... it was fun switching the in-memory pointers
to the add/subtract routines and watching the next person in line try
to figure out why their FOR loop wouldn't work!
Speaking of paper tape, did everyone put the chads back and then
overpunch to fix typos rather than copy the whole program?
KDF9 ... reading/writing a tape drive that was actually the computer
controlling a bank of 16(?) terminals ... as I recall, we would
program "0; DUP; =m0m0hn;" that would zero memory bottom to top and
then wrap around and never end because it pipelined.
DCF calculations ... go to basement, access teletype connected to PDP
in London, to transatlantic cable, to PDP in New York, to some "big"
computer in Texas ... response time better than the web is today ;-))




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Marty Killen

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Bruce Lightsey)
I have been avoiding this thread all week, finally had to chime in..
Mid 70's in the Air Force, 3 stories underground running a Stored
Program Element (SPE) computer where every command we entered had to be
in Octal through punch buttons.. Good times, good times.. I hope you
all have some great holidays. :-)))




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I remember loading a "Star Trek" game from paper tape via a reader on
the
teletype ( IBM ball-type ), disabling the bell, and hoping we got to
play
a few minutes before a teacher came by - this was in high school in
about
1973 and we were connected to a local university's S360.

Also remember dropping a COBOL deck - about a full box plus a few cards
-
and watching the wind scatter them far and wide. Grew to love input
terminals and editor programs that week !






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It's scary, realizing that all those "ordinary" memories are no longer
so
ordinary ...
Honeywell 200 ... coding sheets off to a service bureau (1 week
turn/round) ... programs run at another bureau ... the current
production machine was pure cards ... overlay programming involved
running the blue cards through, then the red, then the blue again,
...
Elliot 903 ... load bootstrap via switches ... load
compiler/interpreter from paper tape ... line-up of students with
assignment programs ... it was fun switching the in-memory
pointers
to the add/subtract routines and watching the next person in line
try
to figure out why their FOR loop wouldn't work!
Speaking of paper tape, did everyone put the chads back and then
overpunch to fix typos rather than copy the whole program?
KDF9 ... reading/writing a tape drive that was actually the
computer
controlling a bank of 16(?) terminals ... as I recall, we would
program "0; DUP; =m0m0hn;" that would zero memory bottom to top
and
then wrap around and never end because it pipelined.
DCF calculations ... go to basement, access teletype connected to
PDP
in London, to transatlantic cable, to PDP in New York, to some
"big"
computer in Texas ... response time better than the web is today
;-))




Thanks, Hugh
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Chris Hoelscher

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Marty Killen)



What about Algol 68?

so Al Gol invented the Internet in '68?

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Mark Steben

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Chris Hoelscher)
Sounds like my days in programming school - but we had another layer of
confusion - we would pass our

Green sheets to keypunch operators who churned out a card deck that we had
to desk check for errors.

Then we had to pencil-write our initials across the top of the card deck
before jamming it into the

IBM-360 card tray for the class. And, of course, we only had one shot at
this per night.



Song of the year during this trying time: The Eagles Tequila Sunrise



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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the
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OK, I'll bite; what's your favourite Jimmy Buffet song? I like, 'Why Don't
We Get Drunk?'. Actually I just like the title; not actually heard it.



Oh, and I also remember my early days as a COBOL programmer on a FACOM box
(so not so old, but it was paid employment) having to code on green layout
sheets - in pencil, in case you made a mistake - then getting them checked
by the Senior Programmer before arranging a time to use one of 3 terminals
(shared between 8 people) to type it in. What fun.



Cheers,





Raymond

PS. Andy, see what you started?



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Hi everyone.

When I followed the link in the original email I got to the "This page left
intentionally left blank" project.

I must have missed something.

The above project reminds me of my second most favorite Jimmy Buffet song
"If the phone doesn't ring, its me".




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William Favero

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Mark Steben)
Remember trying to convince some new kid to replace the punches so the
cards could be reused...?

Willie

Krnic, Ivan B. wrote:
>
> I asked a newly hired programmer once to check the “bit bucket”.
>
> He went over to 2540, and opened the door on the punch side…
>
> Ivan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] *On
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> mainframe listers!
>
> those punch "chads" got every where -- like glitter -- probably killed
> a number of vacuums
>
> Susan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Chris Hoelscher [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 1:12 PM
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>
> what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?)
> keypunch machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at
> the Ohio State football games
>
>
> Chris Hoelscher
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Joel Goldstein

Re: FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to William Favero)
Murphy was an optimist....



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>A proof that Murphy was alive and well...
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>
>
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>
> I wrote code to support a 1442 card punch on a VM/370 system that didn't
> support it (in the very early 80's). Wasn't much of a change I admit, I
> had to change the virtual ccw's from '41' to '81' during ccw translation
> before the system did the real SIO's to the device.
>
> I've also instruction step'd a machine during IPL to fix a problem when
> IPL'ing from tape. In this case we had a new data center with a bare
> machine we were installing VM/370 on and we needed to read the nucleus
> from tape to get it loaded on dasd. But the (IBM) bootstrap code
> starting doing a TIO (test i/o) instruction before doing the next SIO
> (start i/o instruction) to the tape drive. Due to bad cables
> (discovered later) the TIO always returned a "device busy" status and
> the tape IPL went into a infinite loop. I nop'd the branch instruction
> after the TIO and was able to get our nucleus loaded to dasd from the
> tape drive... so we could get the VM/370 system up. By the way, the IBM
> standalone diagnostics didn't find any problems (those diagnostics must
> never have issued a TIO instruction).
>
> Richard Humphris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM
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> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] FW: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for
> the older mainframe listers!
>
> In the early 60's there was an earthquake in the Seattle area
>
> The reels to tape were chest high in the data center - a lot of
> information history started over the next day
>
> (tale my father told me as I was in Junior high at the time) - I think
> the Data Vault might have been an extremely scary place to be as the
> reels ejected from the shelves and coils of tape filled the air.
>
>
> Susan

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Dee Reins

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Joel Goldstein)
I remember the 026 donated from the navy. If we had the opportunity to
use an 029 key punch, we were happy.

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IBM 029 Card Punch (see this for a picture:
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/029.html )
IBM 129 Key Punch "Card Data Recorder"

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what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?) keypunch
machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at the Ohio
State football games


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Avram Friedman

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Dee Reins)
My first paying computer job was as a programmer for the state of wisconsin
department of revenue in 1969. I was worked on a tax application and a
home grown database application called 'database'

I was an LTE (Limited Term Employee) When my contract was up for renewal
I had to agree to a special condition ... I was told I could not ware fisherman
tea shirts to work.

The problem was that the programmer model 26 key punch was in a large work
room where tax returns were keyed. Programmers decks were taken by truck
to the data center in downtown Madison and you would get your deck and
listing back the next day sometimes with a nasty note from the operator. At
any rate it seems that when every I would punch a program in my fisherman
knit tea shirt data entry productivity would go way down. Guess I was more
cute in those days.

My first interactive program development experience was in 1972 when the
state got at 370/145 running VS1. There was limited access to CRJE
terminals, my department had one. CRJE was an IBM product and stood for
Conversational Remote Job Entry.

I learned to program in Highschool on a new fangled IBM 360 30 in a IBM
lanuage called NOBIS (Numericly Oriented Basic Instruction System) which was
basicly the RX instruction set coded in hex. In my first program I tried the
divide instruction, (I was working on an advanced project instead of the
assignment) however no one had a Principal of Operations and I had no clue
that it required 2 registers nor did any of the local or regional support
people ... it was the first 360 software problem in wisconsin that got
escalated to Poughkeepsie for support.

My first hardware disaster was in highschool as well. I took a flash picture of
the datacenter with my Brownie Hawkeye camera while the school system was
running payroll. The tapedrive read the flash as a end of volume marker and
all of a sudden everything stopped and the tapes started rewinding. I may be
the reason why many datacenters had rules against cameras even before
physical security became a big issue.

I learned Fortran in a early placement college class at Marquetee University in
Milwaukee ... they were running an IBM 7070 strech and a TOS operating
system.

I was trained in IMS in 1972, became world wide IMS 360 support for Amdahl
in 1978 as part of my responsibilities as the regional Database specialist. I
started my life in DB2 in 1981 at Candle ... I was part of the original
development team for Omegamon IMS. The VP of development (Marty
Sprinzen) asked me what this DB2 thing was all about. My boss (Jim Woodhill)
and I interviewed a New York subway electriction with a programming
backgroud (Jan Hankowiski). He wanted to move to the west coast so he
could surf. We hired him and that was the start of Omegamon DB2.

Thanks for the memories
Avram Friedman

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:16:35 -0600, Dee Reins
<[login to unmask email]> wrote:

>I remember the 026 donated from the navy. If we had the opportunity to
>use an 029 key punch, we were happy.
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 1:31 PM
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>Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
>mainframe listers!
>
>IBM 029 Card Punch (see this for a picture:
>http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/029.html )
>IBM 129 Key Punch "Card Data Recorder"
>
>--Phil Sevetson, NYCAPS DBA Support
>Financial Information Services Agency of The City of New York
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>________________________________________
>From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On
>Behalf Of Chris Hoelscher
>Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:12 PM
>To: [login to unmask email]
>Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
>mainframe listers!
>
>what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?) keypunch
>machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at the Ohio
>State football games
>
>
>Chris Hoelscher
>Senior IDMS & DB2 Database Administrator
>Humana Inc
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Rick Weaver

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Avram Friedman)
Ok, I held out as long as I could.

I was a night shift operator in Dallas during the mid-70's for an oil
field tycoon who happened to own the Dallas Cowboys (and the
Cheerleaders ;-). I was chasing a BS in Computer Science and would
sometimes code my programs at work and punch the cards to compile on the
University machine. I had an operator at the University computer center
refuse to run my card deck because it didn't have a 'red card, a yellow
card, and a green card'. That would be JOB, SYSIN, and /*.

I also remember taking a series of CPU failures on the 360-145. It
turned out the culprit was static electricity picked up by fetching new
boxes of paper for the 1403 (yes, paper tape controlled) from the
carpeted storage room just off the raised floor (under which we stored a
variety of beverages). Bursters, Decollators, and card sorters were a
big part of the job. So was picking up listings that fell off the 1403
when the top raised due to a break in the paper in the middle of a box.

And there is NO WAY that Raymond Bell is old enough to really remember
any of this, he must have read about it in a history book, and an old
one at that. He's Barney.

Rick Weaver
DB2 z/OS Product Manager
BMC Software
-----Original Message-----
From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On
Behalf Of Willie Favero
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:47 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
mainframe listers!

Remember trying to convince some new kid to replace the punches so the
cards could be reused...?

Willie

Krnic, Ivan B. wrote:
>
> I asked a newly hired programmer once to check the "bit bucket".
>
> He went over to 2540, and opened the door on the punch side...
>
> Ivan
>
>
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>
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> Behalf Of *Allen, Susan A
> *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 6:55 PM
> *To:* [login to unmask email]
> *Subject:* Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
> mainframe listers!
>
> those punch "chads" got every where -- like glitter -- probably killed

> a number of vacuums
>
> Susan
>
>
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>
> *From:* Chris Hoelscher [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 1:12 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
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>
> what do I remember? in the fall of '75 cleaning out the (029?)
> keypunch machines in Baker Hall and using the "chads" as confetti at
> the Ohio State football games
>
>
> Chris Hoelscher
> Senior IDMS & DB2 Database Administrator
> Humana Inc
> 502-476-2538
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Mark Vickers

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Rick Weaver)
Things I could do then and not now:

Quadruple my salary in 2 years.

One program bug took me 38 hours to find and fix it - concurrently.

If I didn't know how to do it and my boss didn't know it and we couldn't
find
it in the manuals, we would invent something or do something else !
(how smart would I have been now if we had Google and list servers back
then ?!?)

Go to lunch on Friday and have dinner at the same place, sometimes
the boss would call and say "where are you ?", "Oh we're at the Pig
and Whistle" and he would say "OK, see you there in 15 mins"

Drink till 4 am and still put in 12 or 14 hours of productive work ,
(first three had intermittent talks on the big white telephone)
go home, get a phone call and start all over again...

One of my functions was to call operations from the call phone outside the

discotheque on the weekend if the talent looked good....
(what's a cell phone ? and the call cost 5c for 3 minutes)
They would pull out a card from the Burroughs B29, bringing things to a
grinding halt and place a service call - gave them a good 3 hours to get a

buzz and check out the talent - always got the schedule finished before
Sunday night though.

Thanks, it's been a blast from the past !
Mark Vickers



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Raymond Bell

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Mark Vickers)
Well, I do remember coding COBOL on green coding sheets in pencil, and
using those plastic tape rings as frisbees, but if I'm honest the oldest
bit of kit I've first-hand experience of was an old IBM tele-printer.
It would print whatever was written to the Console in real time on that
poxy green/white lineflow stuff. It was apparently the weakest link in
the site because, if it jammed, the Console wouldn't respond until it
was cleared. Never saw Ops move so fast - certainly not to mount my
tape requests.

And guess what? It's nearly Friday again. Just about time to be point
man for the local unofficial talent competition. Mark, the Pig and
Whistle sounds good. Better than the Crown in winter I bet.

Laters,


Raymond

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Weaver, Rick
Sent: 19 December 2007 23:43
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: Re: [DB2-L] It's Friday and here's something for the older
mainframe listers!

Ok, I held out as long as I could.

I was a night shift operator in Dallas during the mid-70's for an oil
field tycoon who happened to own the Dallas Cowboys (and the
Cheerleaders ;-). I was chasing a BS in Computer Science and would
sometimes code my programs at work and punch the cards to compile on the
University machine. I had an operator at the University computer center
refuse to run my card deck because it didn't have a 'red card, a yellow
card, and a green card'. That would be JOB, SYSIN, and /*.

I also remember taking a series of CPU failures on the 360-145. It
turned out the culprit was static electricity picked up by fetching new
boxes of paper for the 1403 (yes, paper tape controlled) from the
carpeted storage room just off the raised floor (under which we stored a
variety of beverages). Bursters, Decollators, and card sorters were a
big part of the job. So was picking up listings that fell off the 1403
when the top raised due to a break in the paper in the middle of a box.

And there is NO WAY that Raymond Bell is old enough to really remember
any of this, he must have read about it in a history book, and an old
one at that. He's Barney.

Rick Weaver
DB2 z/OS Product Manager
BMC Software


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Dee Reins

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Raymond Bell)
When I was in college, I was employed by the campus Data Center. I
walked all over the campus cleaning teletypes. Anyone know what
protocol/code the teletypes uses for data transmission?



A couple times I got to trace the computers circuit boards and find bad
components. The circuit boards had transistors, one step up from tubes.


I digress;

I also learned to test and change tubes in our TV when I was a kid.
The days of the good TV shows, The Lone Ranger, Texas Rangers, sponsored
by Butterfinger, Cheyenne and Maverick.

A good TV show, with bowl of popcorn, and life was good.



Dee

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Avram Friedman

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Dee Reins)
Did you mean to post this as part of the
Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
thread?

Some comments imbeded below

Regards Av

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:07:25 -0600, Willie Favero
<[login to unmask email]> wrote:

>When I was college co-op, we spent a lot of time playing StarTrek on
>what looked like IBM Selectric Typewriters (but they weren't) using APL.
>
They were probally Communicating IBM Selectric Typewriters ... The console
device on the IBM 360 50 amoung other things


>we used to run stuff for professors using SPSS (???)
>
SPSS is the Statistical Package for Social Sciences produced by Dr Norman Nie
at the University of Chicago at almost the same time SAS was produced in
NC. The current president of SPSS Inc is Jack Nunan who was my regional
manager when I worked for Amdahl in based in houston and OKC. Jack also
replaced Marty Sprinzen as the VP of Software development at Candle.

Before SPSS and SAS the big statistical packages were Bio-Med and Ociruss.
Before that a lot of home grown stuff including WISTAB or the Wisconsin
Tabulator

I got into a lot of trouble as the Amdahl regional DataBase specilist when I
tried to suggest that the file created by a SAS data step was in fact a
database. By the way I beta tested the first public version of SAS when the
cost to obtain it was a 12" tape and $1.50 for return postage.

Started the third program in a max security prison to teach white collar crime
or computer programming (Waupan Wisc) and during my stay wrote taught an
accredited class for the state univerisity system on SPSS programming that
was open to the neighboring campuses. The very local students had very
good attendence records as they were a captive audience in every sence of
the phrase.


>I even took a class in something called SNOBOL
>
In my college it was the one of the two lanuages associated with Kuntz
volume 2 on list structures. The other lanuage was LISP at least I remember
that LISP stands for Lots of Idiotic Stupid Parentheses


>BTW, APL has got to be one of the great acronyms.. APL - A Programming
>Language

How bout SPOOL Synchronous Peripheral Operation On Line

Do you know who Ashton was in the old DBASE company Ashton Tate? It was
Tate's parakeet!

The original name of Digital Research (Authors of CPM, Novell, DRDOS) was
Interglatic Digital Research ... they wanted to bash the International in IBM
and turned down IBMs request to provide the operationg system for the
original IBM PC ... Bill Gates was orginally asked to provide BASIC only.

Ok one more How did the winchester disk get its name?
Original design specs called for 30 ms average latency, 30 ms data transfer.
In other words it was a 30/30 and the designer was a gun collector.

Av

>
>Willie

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Jeff Frazier

Re: It's Friday and here's something for the older mainframe listers!
(in response to Avram Friedman)
The first SNOBOL language was developed by David J. Farber, Ralph E.
Griswold and Ivan P. Polonsky at Bell Labs in 1962. An early name for
SNOBOL was SEXI (String Extraction Interpreter). Farber was once overheard
to say that the name SNOBOL was largely contrived when the original JACM
article was published. The name was apparently picked when one of the
original implementors made a statment such as, "This program doesn't have
a snowball's chance

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