DB2 pricing question

Peter Adlersburg

DB2 pricing question
Dear subscribers,

A customer of mine currently runs a legacy-application on z/OS ( CICS, DB2,
COBOL, Batch) and thinks about porting the whole thing to Websphere
Application Server with JAVA-Programming (COBOL-programmers are about to
retire sooner or later ;-)) and DB2 as flagship-database. Given this, the
customer expects to profit from ibm's NALC-pricing model. The question: is
this plausible?? One possible scenario - from the customers point of view - is
one LPAR doing the WAS-online-business and another LPAR running the classic
batch by connecting to the db2-subsystem on the online-lpar. As I
understood, this is a case that disqualifies the entire thing for nalc-pricing. Am
I right?

Any Help would be appreciated

kind regards,

peter adlersburg

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Roger Miller

Re: DB2 pricing question
(in response to Peter Adlersburg)
The batch work would disqualify NALC, as I understand it, but you'd need to
get an IBMer who really knows this complex, changing area. We have seen
customer use a number of creative ways to try to reduce prices, but many of
them take significant effort and fail.

Here are a few of the good web references I found.
http://www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/common/ssi/ssialias?
infotype=an&subtype=ca&htmlfid=897/ENUS207-
006&appname=gpa&language=enus
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/swpriceinfo/nalc.html
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/znalc/

Roger Miller, DB2 for z/OS

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:04:39 +0000, Peter Adlersburg
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>Dear subscribers,
>
>A customer of mine currently runs a legacy-application on z/OS ( CICS, DB2,
>COBOL, Batch) and thinks about porting the whole thing to Websphere
>Application Server with JAVA-Programming (COBOL-programmers are about to
>retire sooner or later ;-)) and DB2 as flagship-database. Given this, the
>customer expects to profit from ibm's NALC-pricing model. The question: is
>this plausible?? One possible scenario - from the customers point of view - is
>one LPAR doing the WAS-online-business and another LPAR running the
classic
>batch by connecting to the db2-subsystem on the online-lpar. As I
>understood, this is a case that disqualifies the entire thing for nalc-pricing.
Am
>I right?
>
>Any Help would be appreciated
>
>kind regards,
>
>peter adlersburg
>

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M. Khalid Khan

Re: DB2 pricing question
(in response to Roger Miller)
How about a java batch application running under WAS/z ? After all a java
application doesn't have to be interactive, it could be kicked off by some
timer / scheduler and run until it's done.
Khalid




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The batch work would disqualify NALC, as I understand it, but you'd need to

get an IBMer who really knows this complex, changing area. We have seen
customer use a number of creative ways to try to reduce prices, but many of

them take significant effort and fail.

Here are a few of the good web references I found.
http://www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/common/ssi/ssialias?
infotype=an&subtype=ca&htmlfid=897/ENUS207-
006&appname=gpa&language=enus
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/swpriceinfo/nalc.html
http://www.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/swprice/znalc/

Roger Miller, DB2 for z/OS

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:04:39 +0000, Peter Adlersburg
<[login to unmask email]> wrote:

>Dear subscribers,
>
>A customer of mine currently runs a legacy-application on z/OS ( CICS,
DB2,
>COBOL, Batch) and thinks about porting the whole thing to Websphere
>Application Server with JAVA-Programming (COBOL-programmers are about to
>retire sooner or later ;-)) and DB2 as flagship-database. Given this, the
>customer expects to profit from ibm's NALC-pricing model. The question: is
>this plausible?? One possible scenario - from the customers point of view
- is
>one LPAR doing the WAS-online-business and another LPAR running the
classic
>batch by connecting to the db2-subsystem on the online-lpar. As I
>understood, this is a case that disqualifies the entire thing for
nalc-pricing.
Am
>I right?
>
>Any Help would be appreciated
>
>kind regards,
>
>peter adlersburg
>

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Peter Adlersburg

Re: DB2 pricing question
(in response to M. Khalid Khan)
Gentlemen,

thanks for your input - that's something I can work with.

kind regards,

peter

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