[DB2-L] History OT

Ruediger Kurtz

[DB2-L] History OT
Hi folks,

even at the risk of someone having said so before, here in Germany you might get some beer, as BIT is short for a common brand of beer (not my favourite one, though). (C'mon, it's Friday, after all)

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In the good old days I would have been hard pressed to tell you what BIT stands for but thanks to Google I can tell you that it stands for Binary Digit.

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"Open the pod doors HAL". "I sorry Dave I can't do that"

When I started in this business professionally in 1982 PC didn't mean politically correct or personal computer (those things didn't exist), it meant Para Commander Parachute. Now it's reversed. Well the TI-99/4 come out in 1979 and cost about $1,200 so very few people owned them and it wasn't until the TI-99/4A come out at the 'more' reasonable price of about $500 in 1981 that some people started to own a PC (I actually had a TRS-80 that I gave to my local school district that probably got thrown away).

Only corporations owned computers and we all sat at 3278 'terminals' and did our coding.

We've come a long way baby.

Oh, for a bit of trivia, what does the acronym 'bit' stand for?

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Re: History OT
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I was thinking épées at dawn myself. And wondering if reading a hex had anything to do with Tarot cards. Hmmm... maybe the mists aren't clearing after all.



First 'real' IT job, if this counts, was 2 weeks' work experience as an 18-year-old converting scripts of some sort from a PDP 11/70 to something suitable for Vax/VMS. I think. Got real friendly with the 'gold' key. If it wasn't Vi it was a close precursor. Faster to edit files than ISPF, but man, what a steep learning curve. It's all been paged out long ago.



I've a feeling this is gonna be a loooong Friday.







Raymond



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"duel floppy drives"??



At dawn, no doubt



Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist



Luckily Friday is looming



Phil G



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My first computer, Apple IIe 16k memory and duel floppy drives.







Most memorable quote from instructor in collage: When a student ask how much memory floppy(179k?) was, The instructor replied, "more than you would ever need.







That instructor was the first person I meet that could actually read a hex.







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Isaac Yassin

Re: History OT
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Hi,

No - it should be "High Noon" duel

Isaac Yassin

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"duel floppy drives"??

At dawn, no doubt

Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist

Luckily Friday is looming

Phil G

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My first computer, Apple IIe 16k memory and duel floppy drives.



Most memorable quote from instructor in collage: When a student ask how much memory floppy(179k?) was, The instructor replied, "more than you would ever need.



That instructor was the first person I meet that could actually read a hex.



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Nope, binary integer (0 and 1).

Then there was nibbles, and bytes, and half words, words, etc.

Yea, forgot exactly when IBM came out with their first PC. Mine and 250K hard drive and 4 Meg's of ram built into the mother ram (upgraded to 20 Meg by adding four 4 Meg chips in the designated slots.

Okay, all you geeks, back in the late 50's one of my instructors when I was getting my MS in computer science was telling us of how he had to program floating point math in 'octal' because it was not part of the code base.

So how do you do integer division by two on a 8-bit number?

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"Open the pod doors HAL". "I sorry Dave I can't do that"

When I started in this business professionally in 1982 PC didn't mean politically correct or personal computer (those things didn't exist), it meant Para Commander Parachute. Now it's reversed. Well the TI-99/4 come out in 1979 and cost about $1,200 so very few people owned them and it wasn't until the TI-99/4A come out at the 'more' reasonable price of about $500 in 1981 that some people started to own a PC (I actually had a TRS-80 that I gave to my local school district that probably got thrown away).



Only corporations owned computers and we all sat at 3278 'terminals' and did our coding.

We've come a long way baby.

Oh, for a bit of trivia, what does the acronym 'bit' stand for?

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Re: History OT
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...nostalgia just isn't what it used to be....

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Adam Baldwin

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...not mainframe, not even PC... but I remember struggling with a Reverse
Polish HP calculator... I'm glad that one has gone away.

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William Favero

Re: History OT
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Raymond,

I remember writing code for a PDP 11 when I was in college.

Willie

Bell, Raymond wrote:
>
> I was thinking épées at dawn myself. And wondering if reading a hex
> had anything to do with Tarot cards. Hmmm... maybe the mists aren't
> clearing after all.
>
>
>
> First 'real' IT job, if this counts, was 2 weeks' work experience as
> an 18-year-old converting scripts of some sort from a PDP 11/70 to
> something suitable for Vax/VMS. I think. Got real friendly with the
> 'gold' key. If it wasn't Vi it was a close precursor. Faster to edit
> files than ISPF, but man, what a steep learning curve. It's all been
> paged out long ago.
>
>
>
> I've a feeling this is gonna be a loooong Friday.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Raymond
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] On
> Behalf Of Grainger, Phil
> Sent: 21 May 2009 20:10
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] History OT
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>
> "duel floppy drives"??
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> At dawn, no doubt
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>
> Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist
>
>
>
> Luckily Friday is looming
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>
>
> Phil G
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> From: DB2 Data Base Discussion List on behalf of Campbell, Wayne
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> Sent: Thu 21/05/2009 19:38
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> To: [login to unmask email]
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> Subject: Re: [DB2-L] History OT
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> My first computer, Apple IIe 16k memory and duel floppy drives.
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> Most memorable quote from instructor in collage: When a student ask
> how much memory floppy(179k?) was, The instructor replied, "more than
> you would ever need.
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>
>
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>
> That instructor was the first person I meet that could actually read a
> hex.
>
>
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>
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>
>
> Wayne Campbell
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>
> DB2 DBA
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> Administrative Office of the Courts
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> (360) 705-5268
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>...nostalgia just isn't what it used to be....

Meaning:
"The 'Good Old Days' aren't as good as the 'Good Old Days' were in the 'Good Old Days'".
(8-{]}

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Re: History OT
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While at college in the late 70s, I did office temp work in the vacations. I got a one-day assignment to go and pick up a passport for the UK MD of Commodore, which had just brought out the PET. They asked me to come back the next day to help them stuff envelopes for a mailing, and five weeks later I was acting Service Manager for Commodore UK.

When I went into the business fulltime in 1980, the first machine I worked on was the ICL System 4/50. We didn't have a TSO room, since it wasn't IBM, but a Multijob room where the terminals did not have screens but teleprinters.

We got sent to visit a computer centre to find out what happened there: the one I went to was mostly running the big new ICL 2900 machines but it still had a LEO326 crackling away. The LEO didn't have a VDU either, but a loudspeaker which emitted noises totally incomprehensible to me but obviously familiar to the operator. While he was pointing out the salient features, he suddenly cocked his ear, then picked up a cloth, opened the door of a tape deck and used the cloth to press the tape up aganst the tape head so that it would read properly.

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I was thinking épées at dawn myself. And wondering if reading a hex had anything to do with Tarot cards. Hmmm... maybe the mists aren't clearing after all.



First 'real' IT job, if this counts, was 2 weeks' work experience as an 18-year-old converting scripts of some sort from a PDP 11/70 to something suitable for Vax/VMS. I think. Got real friendly with the 'gold' key. If it wasn't Vi it was a close precursor. Faster to edit files than ISPF, but man, what a steep learning curve. It's all been paged out long ago.



I've a feeling this is gonna be a loooong Friday.







Raymond



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"duel floppy drives"??



At dawn, no doubt



Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist



Luckily Friday is looming



Phil G



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My first computer, Apple IIe 16k memory and duel floppy drives.







Most memorable quote from instructor in collage: When a student ask how much memory floppy(179k?) was, The instructor replied, "more than you would ever need.







That instructor was the first person I meet that could actually read a hex.







Wayne Campbell



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Wow, the ICL2900 - from when "we" had a computer industry

That was probably the first machine I worked on too - complete with punch cards.....

Still, I'm grateful to this thread for making my (very) impending 50th birthday seem less of a disaster

Happy Memorial Weekend to all the US folks

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While at college in the late 70s, I did office temp work in the vacations. I got a one-day assignment to go and pick up a passport for the UK MD of Commodore, which had just brought out the PET. They asked me to come back the next day to help them stuff envelopes for a mailing, and five weeks later I was acting Service Manager for Commodore UK.

When I went into the business fulltime in 1980, the first machine I worked on was the ICL System 4/50. We didn't have a TSO room, since it wasn't IBM, but a Multijob room where the terminals did not have screens but teleprinters.

We got sent to visit a computer centre to find out what happened there: the one I went to was mostly running the big new ICL 2900 machines but it still had a LEO326 crackling away. The LEO didn't have a VDU either, but a loudspeaker which emitted noises totally incomprehensible to me but obviously familiar to the operator. While he was pointing out the salient features, he suddenly cocked his ear, then picked up a cloth, opened the door of a tape deck and used the cloth to press the tape up aganst the tape head so that it would read properly.

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I was thinking épées at dawn myself. And wondering if reading a hex had anything to do with Tarot cards. Hmmm... maybe the mists aren't clearing after all.



First 'real' IT job, if this counts, was 2 weeks' work experience as an 18-year-old converting scripts of some sort from a PDP 11/70 to something suitable for Vax/VMS. I think. Got real friendly with the 'gold' key. If it wasn't Vi it was a close precursor. Faster to edit files than ISPF, but man, what a steep learning curve. It's all been paged out long ago.



I've a feeling this is gonna be a loooong Friday.







Raymond



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"duel floppy drives"??



At dawn, no doubt



Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist



Luckily Friday is looming



Phil G



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My first computer, Apple IIe 16k memory and duel floppy drives.







Most memorable quote from instructor in collage: When a student ask how much memory floppy(179k?) was, The instructor replied, "more than you would ever need.







That instructor was the first person I meet that could actually read a hex.







Wayne Campbell



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My first computer job was as a student operator on a 7094 in the summer
of my sophomore year. It wasn't loosely coupled, but the lead operator
definitely was!

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That beats my learning FORTRAN II on a loosely coupled 7090/7091 in
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How about Fortran II in 1965 on an IBM 7045.

It was Spring break week my freshman year of college.

The "computer" courses were part of the Math department.

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>I was learning computer programming in BASIC in the fall of '73, so
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got me beat by a few years.

I've got you beat, too.

My first computer course was in '71.
It was called 'Computer Concepts' and was a high school course.
I learned FORTRAN.
One so old that it had only arithmetic IF's.

IF (expression),a,b,c
Where 'a' was the statement number for the expression result less than
zero, 'b' equal, and 'c' greater than zero.

I didn't see logical IF's until university in 1976.

(I learned BASIC a couple of years later [1975])

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stay consoled. As probably lots of other listers will confirm, there's life after 50; I'm not certain about many things but that one I'm sure of !

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] Im Auftrag von Grainger, Phil
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Mai 2009 14:17
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Wow, the ICL2900 - from when "we" had a computer industry

That was probably the first machine I worked on too - complete with punch cards.....

Still, I'm grateful to this thread for making my (very) impending 50th birthday seem less of a disaster

Happy Memorial Weekend to all the US folks

Phil G

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While at college in the late 70s, I did office temp work in the vacations. I got a one-day assignment to go and pick up a passport for the UK MD of Commodore, which had just brought out the PET. They asked me to come back the next day to help them stuff envelopes for a mailing, and five weeks later I was acting Service Manager for Commodore UK.

When I went into the business fulltime in 1980, the first machine I worked on was the ICL System 4/50. We didn't have a TSO room, since it wasn't IBM, but a Multijob room where the terminals did not have screens but teleprinters.

We got sent to visit a computer centre to find out what happened there: the one I went to was mostly running the big new ICL 2900 machines but it still had a LEO326 crackling away. The LEO didn't have a VDU either, but a loudspeaker which emitted noises totally incomprehensible to me but obviously familiar to the operator. While he was pointing out the salient features, he suddenly cocked his ear, then picked up a cloth, opened the door of a tape deck and used the cloth to press the tape up aganst the tape head so that it would read properly.

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I was thinking épées at dawn myself. And wondering if reading a hex had anything to do with Tarot cards. Hmmm... maybe the mists aren't clearing after all.



First 'real' IT job, if this counts, was 2 weeks' work experience as an 18-year-old converting scripts of some sort from a PDP 11/70 to something suitable for Vax/VMS. I think. Got real friendly with the 'gold' key. If it wasn't Vi it was a close precursor. Faster to edit files than ISPF, but man, what a steep learning curve. It's all been paged out long ago.



I've a feeling this is gonna be a loooong Friday.







Raymond



-----Original Message-----
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"duel floppy drives"??



At dawn, no doubt



Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist



Luckily Friday is looming



Phil G



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My first computer, Apple IIe 16k memory and duel floppy drives.







Most memorable quote from instructor in collage: When a student ask how much memory floppy(179k?) was, The instructor replied, "more than you would ever need.







That instructor was the first person I meet that could actually read a hex.







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I kid you not but in my first IT job I worked with someone whose clame to
fame in the company was searching for the header record on a tape by trying
to hold it up to the light like old home movie film.

Cut my teeth programming COBOL on DEC/VAX...

TFIFriday.

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Here's a "ray of sunshine" for you "youngsters"... there's even life after 60. :-)

Unfortunately, until the stock markets recover, retirement will have to wait. :-(


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Phil,

stay consoled. As probably lots of other listers will confirm, there's life after 50; I'm not certain about many things but that one I'm sure of !

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: DB2 Data Base Discussion List [mailto:[login to unmask email] Im Auftrag von Grainger, Phil
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Betreff: Re: [DB2-L] History OT

Wow, the ICL2900 - from when "we" had a computer industry

That was probably the first machine I worked on too - complete with punch cards.....

Still, I'm grateful to this thread for making my (very) impending 50th birthday seem less of a disaster

Happy Memorial Weekend to all the US folks

Phil G

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While at college in the late 70s, I did office temp work in the vacations. I got a one-day assignment to go and pick up a passport for the UK MD of Commodore, which had just brought out the PET. They asked me to come back the next day to help them stuff envelopes for a mailing, and five weeks later I was acting Service Manager for Commodore UK.

When I went into the business fulltime in 1980, the first machine I worked on was the ICL System 4/50. We didn't have a TSO room, since it wasn't IBM, but a Multijob room where the terminals did not have screens but teleprinters.

We got sent to visit a computer centre to find out what happened there: the one I went to was mostly running the big new ICL 2900 machines but it still had a LEO326 crackling away. The LEO didn't have a VDU either, but a loudspeaker which emitted noises totally incomprehensible to me but obviously familiar to the operator. While he was pointing out the salient features, he suddenly cocked his ear, then picked up a cloth, opened the door of a tape deck and used the cloth to press the tape up aganst the tape head so that it would read properly.

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I was thinking épées at dawn myself. And wondering if reading a hex had anything to do with Tarot cards. Hmmm... maybe the mists aren't clearing after all.



First 'real' IT job, if this counts, was 2 weeks' work experience as an 18-year-old converting scripts of some sort from a PDP 11/70 to something suitable for Vax/VMS. I think. Got real friendly with the 'gold' key. If it wasn't Vi it was a close precursor. Faster to edit files than ISPF, but man, what a steep learning curve. It's all been paged out long ago.



I've a feeling this is gonna be a loooong Friday.







Raymond



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"duel floppy drives"??



At dawn, no doubt



Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist



Luckily Friday is looming



Phil G



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Subject: Re: [DB2-L] History OT







My first computer, Apple IIe 16k memory and duel floppy drives.







Most memorable quote from instructor in collage: When a student ask how much memory floppy(179k?) was, The instructor replied, "more than you would ever need.







That instructor was the first person I meet that could actually read a hex.







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Hi!



I have to give a basic lecture on DB2 to a group of people that know nothing about the product, I would like to talk about its history,

when it was launched, its versions, and so on.



Could anyone help me please!?!!



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I've got this ...


DB2 Lifecycle History

Version GA Date End of Marketing End of Service
1.1 1985-04-02 ? ?
1.2 1986-03-07 ? 1988-06-30
1.3 1987-06-26 ? ?
2.1 1988-09-?? ? ?
2.2 1989-09-22 ? ?
2.3 1991-10-25 ? ?
3.1 1993-12-17 2000-02-29 2001-01-31
(planned was 1998-12-31)
4.1 1995-11-30 2000-12-01 2001-12-31
5.1 1997-06-27 2001-12-31 2002-12-31
6.1 1998-06-30 2001-12-04 2005-06-30
7.1 2001-03-30 2007-03-05 2008-06-30
8.1 2004-03-26 2009-09-08 tbd
9 2007-03-16 ? ?
10 ? ? ?


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