DB2 Marketing (was #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by George Bak

Philip Sevetson

DB2 Marketing (was #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by George Bak
I expect that, as a senior geek, my opinion on this is in the minority here… but I’ve never understood who the target audience is for a lot of DB2 marketing.

It definitely isn’t me – I haven’t been impressed with much of anything that their marketers have done with the product in a couple of decades, with two exceptions. V8 rocked – ten percent CPU reduction out of the box – and the introduction of analytic operations and OUTER JOINs. The rest… less so. Especially the flipping name changes.

--Phil

From: Philip Nelson [mailto:[login to unmask email]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 4:47 AM
To: [login to unmask email]
Subject: [DB2-L] - RE: #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by George Baklarz

James,

This is all about Db2 rather than Db2 for z/OS, which doesn't (yet) have the native REST support.

Remember IBM has (in their infinite wisdom) decided that what we once new as DB2 for LUW should now be known simply as "Db2". This lack of a platform identifier is just causing confusions.

Phil

On 13 April 2018 at 01:41, James Campbell <[login to unmask email]<mailto:[login to unmask email]>> wrote:
Not sure about OData, but

https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/e429a8a2-b27f-48f3-aa73-ca13d5b6
9759/entry/DB2_for_z_OS_Native_DDF_REST_services?lang=en https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/e429a8a2-b27f-48f3-aa73-ca13d5b69759/entry/DB2_for_z_OS_Native_DDF_REST_services?lang=en

https://developer.ibm.com/recipes/tutorials/getting-started-with-restful-web-services-support-i
n-the-distributed-data-facility-of-db2-for-zos/ https://developer.ibm.com/recipes/tutorials/getting-started-with-restful-web-services-support-in-the-distributed-data-facility-of-db2-for-zos

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEPEK_11.0.0/restserv/src/tpc/db2z_restse
rvices.html https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEPEK_11.0.0/restserv/src/tpc/db2z_restservices.html

https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II14827

The current APARs are PI90243 (v11) or PI90244 (v12).

James Campbell




On 12 Apr 2018 at 14:20, GALLAGHER, WILLIAM wrote:

>
> Same here. We have a large application development effort that will commence shortly
> that would definitely benefit from this if it could access DB2 z/OS.
>
> Bill Gallagher
> DB2 Database Administrator
> State of Connecticut
>
> From: PLATA Robert M [mailto:[login to unmask email]<mailto:[login to unmask email]>]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:17 AM
> To: '[login to unmask email]<mailto:[login to unmask email]>' <[login to unmask email]<mailto:[login to unmask email]>>
> Subject: [DB2-L] - RE: #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by
> George Baklarz
>
> Great article. We have a need to use this now, but not sure if Odata will
> query/update data on Db2 z/OS. Is this just for Db2 LUW for now?
>
> From: Kurt Struyf <[login to unmask email]<mailto:[login to unmask email]>>
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:17 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]<mailto:[login to unmask email]>
> Subject: [DB2-L] - #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by
> George Baklarz
>
>
> https://www.idug.org/p/bl/ar/blogaid=729
>
>

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James Campbell

DB2 Marketing (was #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by George Bak
(in response to Philip Sevetson)
Phil Nelson,

I disagree that "Db2 for z/OS ... doesn't (yet) have the native REST support".

Maybe with room for improvement, but it's there. Otherwise exactly what are those APARs
delivering?


James Campbell


On 13 Apr 2018 at 12:43, Sevetson, Phil wrote:

>
> I expect that, as a senior geek, my opinion on this is in the minority here... but I´ve never
> understood who the target audience is for a lot of DB2 marketing.
>  
> It definitely isn´t me - I haven´t been impressed with much of anything that their
> marketers have done with the product in a couple of decades, with two exceptions.  V8
> rocked - ten percent CPU reduction out of the box - and the introduction of analytic
> operations and OUTER JOINs. The rest... less so.  Especially the flipping name changes.
>  
> --Phil
>  
> From: Philip Nelson [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 4:47 AM
> To: [login to unmask email]
> Subject: [DB2-L] - RE: #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by George
> Baklarz
>  
> James,
>  
> This is all about Db2 rather than Db2 for z/OS, which doesn't (yet) have the native REST
> support.   
>  
> Remember IBM has (in their infinite wisdom) decided that what we once new as DB2 for
> LUW should now be known simply as "Db2".   This lack of a platform identifier is just
> causing confusions.
>  
> Phil
>  
> On 13 April 2018 at 01:41, James Campbell <[login to unmask email]> wrote:
> Not sure about OData, but
>
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/e429a8a2-b27f-48f3-aa73-ca13d
> 5b6
> 9759/entry/DB2_for_z_OS_Native_DDF_REST_services?lang=en
>
> https://developer.ibm.com/recipes/tutorials/getting-started-with-restful-web-services-supp
> ort-i
> n-the-distributed-data-facility-of-db2-for-zos/
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEPEK_11.0.0/restserv/src/tpc/db2z_re
> stse
> rvices.html
>
> https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II14827
>
> The current APARs are PI90243 (v11) or PI90244 (v12).
>
> James Campbell
>
>
>
>
> On 12 Apr 2018 at 14:20, GALLAGHER, WILLIAM wrote:
>
> >
> > Same here.  We have a large application development effort that will commence shortly
> > that would definitely benefit from this if it could access DB2 z/OS.
> >  
> > Bill Gallagher
> > DB2 Database Administrator
> > State of Connecticut
> >  
> > From: PLATA Robert M [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:17 AM
> > To: '[login to unmask email]' <[login to unmask email]>
> > Subject: [DB2-L] - RE: #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with
> Db2" by
> > George Baklarz
> >  
> > Great article.  We have a need to use this now, but not sure if Odata will
> > query/update data on Db2 z/OS.  Is this just for Db2 LUW for now?
> >  
> > From: Kurt Struyf <[login to unmask email]>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:17 AM
> > To: [login to unmask email]
> > Subject: [DB2-L] - #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by
> > George Baklarz
> >  
> >  
> > https://www.idug.org/p/bl/ar/blogaid=729
> >  
> >  

Philip Nelson

DB2 Marketing (was #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working with Db2" by George Bak
(in response to James Campbell)
Which isn't what I meant ... I may have missed a comma somewhere.

This is all about Db2 (formerly DB2 for LUW) which doesn't (yet) have the
native REST interface that Db2 for z/OS does.

If you have Db2 for z/OS you'd be better using the native REST than OData.

Phil

On 14 April 2018 at 03:40, James Campbell <[login to unmask email]> wrote:

> Phil Nelson,
>
> I disagree that " Db2 for z/OS ... doesn't (yet) have the native REST
> support".
>
> Maybe with room for improvement, but it's there. Otherwise exactly what
> are those APARs delivering?
>
>
> James Campbell
>
>
> On 13 Apr 2018 at 12:43, Sevetson, Phil wrote:
>
> >
> > I expect that, as a senior geek, my opinion on this is in the minority
> here… but I’ve never
> > understood who the target audience is for a lot of DB2 marketing.
> >
> > It definitely isn’t me – I haven’t been impressed with much of anything
> that their
> > marketers have done with the product in a couple of decades, with two
> exceptions. V8
> > rocked – ten percent CPU reduction out of the box – and the introduction
> of analytic
> > operations and OUTER JOINs. The rest… less so. Especially the flipping
> name changes.
> >
> > --Phil
> >
> > From: Philip Nelson [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 4:47 AM
> > To: [login to unmask email]
> > Subject: [DB2-L] - RE: #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working
> with Db2" by George
> > Baklarz
> >
> > James,
> >
> > This is all about Db2 rather than Db2 for z/OS, which doesn't (yet) have
> the native REST
> > support.
> >
> > Remember IBM has (in their infinite wisdom) decided that what we once
> new as DB2 for
> > LUW should now be known simply as "Db2". This lack of a platform
> identifier is just
> > causing confusions.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > On 13 April 2018 at 01:41, James Campbell <[login to unmask email]> wrote:
> > Not sure about OData, but
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/
> blogs/e429a8a2-b27f-48f3-aa73-ca13d
> > 5b6
> > 9759/entry/DB2_for_z_OS_Native_DDF_REST_services?lang=en
> >
> > https://developer.ibm.com/recipes/tutorials/getting-
> started-with-restful-web-services-supp
> > ort-i
> > n-the-distributed-data-facility-of-db2-for-zos/
> >
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSEPEK_11.0.0/
> restserv/src/tpc/db2z_re
> > stse
> > rvices.html
> >
> > https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1II14827
> >
> > The current APARs are PI90243 (v11) or PI90244 (v12).
> >
> > James Campbell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12 Apr 2018 at 14:20, GALLAGHER, WILLIAM wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Same here. We have a large application development effort that will
> commence shortly
> > > that would definitely benefit from this if it could access DB2 z/OS.
> > >
> > > Bill Gallagher
> > > DB2 Database Administrator
> > > State of Connecticut
> > >
> > > From: PLATA Robert M [mailto:[login to unmask email]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:17 AM
> > > To: '[login to unmask email]' <[login to unmask email]>
> > > Subject: [DB2-L] - RE: #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working
> with
> > Db2" by
> > > George Baklarz
> > >
> > > Great article. We have a need to use this now, but not sure if Odata
> will
> > > query/update data on Db2 z/OS. Is this just for Db2 LUW for now?
> > >
> > > From: Kurt Struyf <[login to unmask email]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:17 AM
> > > To: [login to unmask email]
> > > Subject: [DB2-L] - #IDUG presents: "A RESTful Approach for Working
> with Db2" by
> > > George Baklarz
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.idug.org/p/bl/ar/blogaid=729
> > >
> > >
>
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